From: Edison Ortiz (edisonmortiz@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Jul 18 2007 - 12:51:32 ART
You will find 'paper <insert professional certification>' in all aspects of
life.
A CCIE cert will most likely get you the interview, but you have to show
what
you know on a daily basis. The challenge does not end once you pass the Lab.
After the Lab, you are challenged everyday *and* that's good because if you
aren't
challenged - you will forget within months time.
Edison Ortiz
Routing and Switching, CCIE # 17943
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Colin McNamara
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:24 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
Well, none of the people I work with are lazy. But I have seen paper CCIE's
out there. I couple years ago I caught one in an interview. He couldn't
demonstrate basic understanding of network protocols.
Weird thing is, his # checked out as valid. I guess he is proof of those
rumors that you can buy labs in the far east. It is pretty sad actually.
-- Colin McNamara (858)208-8105 CCIE #18233 "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer"On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 07:44 -0700, Narbik Kocharians wrote: > > > Don't get me wrong i totally agree with you, but its just that i find > it hard to believe that there are paper CCIEs. May be there are, who > knows? > > But remember that some people have the wrong attitude and/or are very > lazy and some are very conservative, some people don't know what the > behavior of a certain configuration is going to be and how it would > affect things. > > He could be having a bad day, but his ability or inability should not > be a reflection of others. > > I know this other gentleman that has two CCIEs but this person is > extremely lazy and likes to be given a task and the configuration > commands so he can just enter the commands. The question is "Does he > know his stuff?" YES but he has a bad attitude and extremely lazy. > just my 2 cents. > > > On 7/18/07, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] <Liban.Mohamed@sprint.com> wrote: > Nabrik, > > > > I don't remember if he had SP or RS, but one could hope, once > you get CCIE, you should @least have the ability to look > through a feature via CCO, and read about it. So let's assume > you pass your RS, and you take consulting gig that require > MPLS, should one say (oohh I have RS, I can't configure MPLS) > or you take the task and read the technology and implement, > It's like when someone finishes School, all that means is you > can know read and do your own research J > > > > Liban Mohamed > > NTAC-IP > > Sprint/Nextel > > www.sprint.net > > liban.mohamed@sprint.com > > (W) 678-291-3438 > > (PCS) 404-441-9701 > > > > > > From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:44 AM > To: Mohamed, Liban [NTK] > Cc: Colin McNamara; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > > Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ? > > > Was this guy that couldnt configure Soo for EIgrp an SP CCIE? > > On 7/17/07, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] <Liban.Mohamed@sprint.com> > wrote: > > Man don't remind me paper CCIE, when I see them it really > discourage me to get my #. When CCIE can't configure soO for > EIGRP, then you have to worry. But I really think multiple > CCIE can help you consulting position, which will attract the > client, Maybe I will change my thinking once I get my 1st > IE# :) > > > Liban Mohamed > NTAC-IP > Sprint/Nextel > www.sprint.net > liban.mohamed@sprint.com > (W) 678-291-3438 > (PCS) 404-441-9701 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > Behalf Of Colin McNamara > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:18 PM > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ? > > Well, let me just say that I am the only CCIE on my team with > a Single > CCIE. All the other CCIE's have 2 - 5. If I wasn't an > internal referral > I would not have even been on the radar for a job here. > > I think back to 2000 or so, where if you had you # you could > get a job > practically anywhere. Now there are alot more CCIE's in the > world, along > with a few labrats / paper CCIE's (trust me.. I have seen > them). Now the > ticket anywhere has been bumped up a notch to multiple > CCIE's. > > -- > Colin McNamara > (858)208-8105 > CCIE #18233 > "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a > little > longer" > > > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 21:45 -0400, E.A. McCaleb wrote: > > Even if you have multple certs (CCIE's) Im pretty sure it > doesn't help in > > regards to partnership. In other words, if you need four > CCIE's for gold > > partnership one quad IE will not do. It has to be four > individuals with a > > CCIE certification. > > > > EM > > > > > > On 7/17/07, Colin McNamara <colin@2cups.com> wrote: > > > > > > Having multiple certs is also huge if you are in the > Partner world. > > > It enhances your standing in the channel, and allows you > as an SE to > > > look better on paper to the customer. > > > > > > --Colin > > > > > > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 18:58 -0500, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] > wrote: > > > > trible CCIE works well if you teaching, bu > > > > > > >
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