From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Sun Jul 08 2007 - 23:41:43 ART
hehehe... Wouldn't being a celebrity make me more an example? :)
Although, do remember that celebrity status is limited by niche. Believe it
or not, many people don't have a clue who I am from any other Joe Schmoe!
The quick answer is no. The market will bear what the market will bear.
Now you may get something incremental if you work for a company that values
the multiple skillsets. In an enterprise, you may just start out on the
higher end of the payscale already determined for a position because of
extra value you bring. For a reseller, you may get more because your certs
have financial impact on their abilities/savings!
But all in all, the market is what it is. As a consultant, my rates are
what they are. They may be a bit higher than many people, but the way I
look at it (and market it) is that while you may pay me twice as much as
someone else, if I get a project done accurately in less than half the time
it takes someone else, based on experience, then you saved money. but there
isn't any automatic thing because I have more CCIE's than many people that I
can charge more. It would be cool, but the market doesn't work that way.
On the other hand, having multiple certifications is an experience
indicator, and a competitive advantage when it comes to comparing two
people/companies together. That's where it may have the most advantage for
"normal" people. When going for a job, it would make logical sense to hire
someone with two CCIE's over someone with 'only' one when all other things
are relatively equal.
HTH,
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
smorris@ipexpert.com
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From: darth router [mailto:darklordrouter@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 10:36 PM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: Anekwe, Abdul; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE- Paths - (A Non technical question)
Scott,
does having multiple CCIEs get you paid a lot more? Maybe you are not the
greatest example because of being a network celebrity and all, but a regular
joe schmoe engineer with 2 are more CCIEs. What do you think? I personally
wanted the route/switch over voice and security because that opens you up to
other vendors equipment as well. Seems like the security and voice track
will keep you drinking the coolaide for life.
DR
On 7/9/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
That is going to depend very much on where you are located, what the market
is like and who you are (or want to be) working for.
Voice/Communications and Security are certainly hot "areas" of networking
and there is a lot of marketing buzz about them. But interesting enough,
you cannot forget the basics there, and if your R&S infrastructure is
screwed up, no good voice/security engineering will fix that. :)
There's certainly demand for lots. On the flip side, there are more R&S
CCIE's than any other track, so if you are interested in standing apart you
may want something different. But it's all about what you want to
accomplish. If you hate telephones and dial plans, don't go for voice! :)
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
Fax: +1.810.454.0130
http://www.ipexpert.com
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com
<mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com> ] On Behalf Of
Anekwe, Abdul
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:56 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: CCIE- Paths - (A Non technical question)
All, ..I'm real curious. Been in the network engineering field for like
12 years, and after passing the CCIE-RS written and failing at the lab, I
took time off, but I'm back at it again (passed the written and now prepping
for my lab). But I have a question for you all.
... in today's market place, which one is more valuable.
CCIE-Voice, CCIE R&S, CCIE Security or another other CCIE path?
I'm just curious .....is there anyone more asked about than the other?
Any more valuable in today's market place than the other? What are clients,
employee's asking about when it comes to skill set or demands.
Curious to hear your input.
Oh by the way....been a silent listener to Groupstudy for years. Very very
good bulletin board.. Been like that for sometime.
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