From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Jul 05 2007 - 16:32:06 ART
I honestly think that on avergae people take it 4 to 5 times. Now some pass
on their first or second attempt but most of the people go 3 - 5 times.
On 7/5/07, Sean.Zimmerman@clubcorp.com <Sean.Zimmerman@clubcorp.com> wrote:
>
> The support page states that most CCIE candidates attempt the lab 2 or 3
> times, not that most CCIE's pass on their 2nd or 3rd try. This obviously
> includes those that gave up. Borderline worthless information.
>
> Sorry for polluting the list with garbage.
>
> Sean Zimmerman #18225
>
> ----- Forwarded by Sean Zimmerman/CLUBCORP/US on 07/05/2007 11:37 AM -----
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> Sean.Zimmerman@clubcorp.com
> Sent by: nobody@groupstudy.com
> 07/05/2007 11:03 AM
> Please respond to
> Sean.Zimmerman@clubcorp.com
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> To
> "Mike Kraus \(mikraus\)" <mikraus@cisco.com>
> cc
> "John Jones" <acer0001@gmail.com>, ccielab@groupstudy.com, "Kyle
> MacDonald" <Kyle.MacDonald@pwgsc.gc.ca>, nobody@groupstudy.com
> Subject
> RE: How to start again after failing your first try
>
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>
> Go to certifications online support instant answers, and issue a query for
>
> "lab attempts before passing". The answer states that most CCIE's pass on
> their second or third try. That's the closest to a statistic that I've
> ever seen from Cisco. Knowing this information really didn't help my
> confidence after I failed my third attempt, so I had to come up with a lot
>
> of defensive excuses. What isn't included in this number are those that
> tried once or more and gave up, etc. I'd really like to know how many have
>
> passed a written exam, then compare that to the number of CCIE's. I bet
> you'd find that fewer than half earn their number, and in every case, this
>
> is because they gave up, not because they weren't capable.
>
> I'm sure that fewer people would even attempt it if they knew the odds or
> the fact that it's statistically going to cost $2500 to $3750 just in lab
> exam fees. Keeping the stats secret is obviously a strategy used by Cisco
> to increase the profitability of the program. Cisco generated $5600 in
> revenue directly from my exams.
>
> Passing the lab for most requires a lot of persistence, and if you find
> yourself failing over and over, change your strategy!
>
>
> Sean Zimmerman #18225
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> "Mike Kraus \(mikraus\)" <mikraus@cisco.com>
> Sent by: nobody@groupstudy.com
> 07/05/2007 09:33 AM
> Please respond to
> "Mike Kraus \(mikraus\)" <mikraus@cisco.com>
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> To
> "Kyle MacDonald" <Kyle.MacDonald@pwgsc.gc.ca>, "John Jones"
> <acer0001@gmail.com>
> cc
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Subject
> RE: How to start again after failing your first try
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> As a Cisco employee, I have not seen any of these pass/fail rates. I'm
> sure those within the CCIE program do know, but do not release these
> numbers as you state. But, as we all know, 57.32% of all statistics are
> made up.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Kyle MacDonald
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:21 AM
> To: John Jones
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: How to start again after failing your first try
>
> I've seen these numbers before regarding pass/fail rates and number of
> times to pass, but Cisco doesn't release any information about this.
> Aren't we really just passing on rumour and second hand information as
> fact? Is there any real information about these rates?
>
> Kyle
> Newly certified #18366
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> John Jones
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:30 AM
> To: Colin McNamara
> Cc: Mohamed Radwan; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: How to start again after failing your first try
>
> Yes, Colin it's true... it's just a test, but monsterous one! ;-)
>
> I remember reading somewhere that it takes Cisco employees, who usually
> are limitless with resources, about 2.7 times to pass. You've got 1.7
> times to go!
>
> John
>
>
> On 7/4/07, Colin McNamara <colin@2cups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Don't be down. I believe the average is 2.1 attempts per passing CCIE.
> > With only 1 attempt down you are still ahead of the average.
> >
> > A couple of things to remember -
> > 1. The CCIE is an extremely challenging exam with a huge failure rate.
> > There is no shame in a failed attempt.
> >
> > 2. Half of the CCIE is brain power the other Half is will power. Being
>
> > smart is not enough to get your Number. Being smart and being prepared
>
> > however is.
> >
> > 3. The prep time required to pass your CCIE is a constant. There are
> > no shortcuts to your number. You can either choose to put your time
> > preparing before you next attempt, or you can chunk up your prep time
> > between attempts. Either way, you have have to put the time in.
> >
> > 4. Don't forget your support systems. If you have a wife and kids,
> > make sure that they are on board and well taken care of. If you are
> > single, then make sure to schedule in some personal time to stay sane.
> >
> > 5. And remember, at the end of the day.... it is just a test.
> >
> > --
> > Colin McNamara
> > (858)208-8105
> > CCIE #18233
> > "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
> > longer"
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 15:45 +0300, Mohamed Radwan wrote:
> > > Dear Group,
> > >
> > > I failed on my first try 12 June 2007 , I prepared well for the exam
>
> > > but the Exam stress and some stupid mistakes I made cause me much
> time.
> > >
> > > anyway I need to start again and get ready for the 2nd try I don't
> > > need what to do ??
> > >
> > > I already read most of recommended books , practice a lot my weak
> > > points are multicast, service, and security
> > >
> > > I know that have to learn more about these and practice them more,
> > > but i don't feel like studying again
> > >
> > > any suggestion....
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Mohamed
> > >
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832
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