From: jslauer@hotmail.com
Date: Tue Jun 26 2007 - 21:26:41 ART
How right you are!
Platform isnt that big of a deal. The 6500 has so many damn blades!
I just got a couple new blades the other day that I had never seen
before. Hope that doesn't make me less of a CCIE since I've never
configured them before in my life :) But one thing I'm sure of is that I can
read documentation quite well, and Cisco is so damn smart..they include
it in the package!
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rahmlow, Howard F." <Howard.F.Rahmlow@unisys.com>
To: <jslauer@hotmail.com>; "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>; "Scott
Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
Cc: "john matijevic" <john.matijevic@gmail.com>; "Brad Ellis"
<brad@ccbootcamp.com>; "Digital Yemeni" <digital.yemeni@gmail.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:18 PM
Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
Good news is; when I took the lab, you can still do 90% of the routing
on 2500's, and 90% of the switching on any Cisco IOS based switch.
It's not the hardware, it's the OS.
Howard
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
jslauer@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:35 PM
To: Narbik Kocharians; Scott Morris
Cc: john matijevic; Brad Ellis; Digital Yemeni; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
People need to stop getting their panties in a bunch, cant anyone really
see
the humor here? Networker's (and thus beer) needs to come sooner rather
than
later for some of us.
As for price, I know that my 6509's/6513's that are in my campus all run
over 100k (well over) since we are running red-sup 720's and 10GBE
everywhere. Not to mention our 4510R's which are pushing 100k (if not a
little over) per chassis.
I really don't care about the cost, I sure as hell aint paying for them
:)
Unless they start putting the CRS-1 in the lab I'm not sweating it
although
I would like some hands on with IOS-XR other than reading the
documentation.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
To: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
Cc: "john matijevic" <john.matijevic@gmail.com>; "Brad Ellis"
<brad@ccbootcamp.com>; "Digital Yemeni" <digital.yemeni@gmail.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>I totally agree with Scott, i think 10000 and RS1s should be
appropriate
>for
> the CCIE labs exam.
>
> On 6/26/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>>
>> Now, now... Relax a little.
>>
>> Yes, there are two switches on Ebay over 100K, but if you think that
>> Cisco
>> is going to require 6509E's with dual Sup720's and other super-fancy
>> blades
>> including 10gig interfaces on the CCIE lab, I'm thinking they'll have
>> just
>> a
>> minor riot going on in Anaheim when they announce that! (grin)
>>
>> So let's stick with more realistic options and discussions rather
than
>> the
>> I'm-in-love-with-my-AM wish list.
>>
>>
>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
JNCIE
>> #153, CISSP, et al.
>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
>> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>>
>> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>>
>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>>
>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>> http://www.ipexpert.com
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: john matijevic [mailto:john.matijevic@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:35 PM
>> To: Brad Ellis
>> Cc: Digital Yemeni; Scott Morris; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>> Yes depending on the modules you get can easily run over 100k for a
Cisco
>> series switch. No need for smart comments, we can discuss offline if
you
>> like. I don't find your jokes funny.
>> Here is a link to ebay for 6500's over 100k.
>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40
>> <
>>
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=ci
sco
>> +6509&category0> &_trksid=m37&satitle=cisco+6509&category0 =
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> John
>>
>>
>> On 6/23/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>
>> $100k and i don't think JC would even call to see if it got installed
>> properly...now if you bump that up to $10M, then you could probably
get
>> JC
>> onsite to put a blade in the chasis - although i'm not certain you'd
want
>> that...
>>
>> I think some people seem to forget that the 6500s are currently on
the
>> voice
>> lab exam - not to mention it looks like there's quite a few 6503s
>> available
>> in refurb at the moment. :)
>>
>> thanks,
>> Brad Ellis
>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> CCSI#30482
>> Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
>> YES! We take Cisco Learning credits!
>> brad@ccbootcamp.com
>> www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and Advanced Technology Rental
Racks)
>> Voice: 702-968-5100
>> FAX: 702-446-8012
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Digital Yemeni" < digital.yemeni@gmail.com>
>> To: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
>> Cc: < ccielab@groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab@groupstudy.com> >
>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>
>>
>> Nope! That 100K actually includes the charges because John Chambers
>> himself
>> will install it for you! ;-)
>>
>> On 6/23/07, dschulz@skyline-ats.com <dschulz@skyline-ats.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > That would probably include the electric bill to power the thing.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > $100,000?
>> > >
>> > > You don't get to Ebay much, do you? :)
>> > >
>> > > _____
>> > >
>> > > From: john matijevic [mailto: john.matijevic@gmail.com]
>> > > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:09 PM
>> > > To: Jason Plank
>> > > Cc: Ryan; Joe Mama; Gary Duncanson; Scott Morris;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hello All,
>> > > CCIE is a software certification from what I understand used to
also
>> > test
>> > > hardware with cabling when it was a 2 day lab. You could not only
>> > > test
>> > the
>> > > 6500 but you could test how to mount a 6500 or how to put in a
blade,
>> > > cabling, how to put in a new jack, how to punch down. There are
many
>> > > aspects
>> > > of networking out there, not to mention how to use a fluke/toner
how
>> to
>> > > test
>> > > continuity vs connectivity. How to test out the pins on the wire,
>> > > how
>> > to
>> > > test from the jack on the wall plate to the patch panels to the
>> switch.
>> > > Again this is a software certification. Also if you introduce the
>> > > 6500
>> > on
>> > > the lab, most people would not be able to afford a $100000+ piece
of
>> > > equipment in their home labs. It would drive the cost up
considerably
>> > but
>> > > would lower the number of CCIE's. which probably would not be in
>> Cisco's
>> > > best interest. Just my .02 cents
>> > > Sincerely,
>> > > John
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 6/22/07, Jason Plank <Jason_Plank@condenast.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > *golf clap*
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 6/22/07 1:12 PM, "Ryan" <ryan95842@gmail.com
>> > > <mailto:ryan95842@gmail.com <mailto:ryan95842@gmail.com> > >
wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> 65xx/76xx
>> > >>
>> > >> It's a freaking router people!!! (ok, Multi-layer
switch)...what's
>> the
>> > >> big
>> > >> deal???
>> > >>
>> > >> Why is everyone so scared and intimidated of the thing? I
seriously
>> > >> don't
>> > >> get it...
>> > >>
>> > >> Maybe someone could explain why it's so "hard" to use one...I've
>> > >> been
>> > > using
>> > >> them for over 6 years...so what. Nothing on the 6509 I've done
has
>> > > required
>> > >> any kind of magical super talent/knowledge.
>> > >>
>> > >> It's just another piece of hardware folks...big whoop.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -Ryan
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 6/22/07, Joe Mama <jsmith1234550@gmail.com
>> <mailto:jsmith1234550@gmail.com>
>> > > <mailto:jsmith1234550@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> All,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> One more thing....
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Every large company will buy a 6500 and Cisco really doesn't
need
>> > >>> to
>> > >>> market this platform all that much as the 3560. Most companies
I've
>> > >>> worked for use them for Access, Dsitribution, Core, etc. There
>> really
>>
>> > >>> is no competiton; a 6500 is awesome!
>> > >>>
>> > >>> If every CCIE knows the 3560, then, when they go to make a
choice
>> for
>> > >>> a small site, etc/ they will know all of the features and
choose
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> trusty switch that got them their ccie......you see what i
>> mean? The
>> > >>> CCIE is a good way for Cisco to market their newer products
that
>> > >>> are
>> > >>> not that well klnown but are great for a small site. Cisco's
main
>> > >>> competion is in this area. In some of our very small sites, we
run
>> > >>> 2811's / 3560's / 3845's and they are fantastic and extremely
>> powerful
>> > >>> (in RAM and feature set capability, etc..) and I certainly am
very
>> > >>> comfortable with them due to my studies, etc. and would not
even
>> > >>> propose another type of network device (from another company)
>> because
>> > >>> I am so confident in their abilities.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The 3560 and 3845 platforms are great! Of course, for any
decent
>> size
>> > >>> campus, only 65xx-E with SUP720x will do, but Cisco really
doesn't
>> > >>> need to push this. Also, as was mentioned, having 4 6500's in
a
>> > >>> regualr R&S lab would limit the number of people going for
CCIes
>> which
>> > >>> would not be good for Cisco......
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Joe
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Andre
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Joe
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 6/22/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com
>> <mailto:gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> > wrote:
>> > >>>> Yeah,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> In some situations a CCIE is a metric of what you should be
>> *capable*
>> > >>> of,
>> > >>>> not necessarily what you can *do* straight off the bat.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Nobody knows everything. The CCIE provides as much as is
>> > >>>> reasonable
>> > on
>> > >>> the
>> > >>>> 'stuff to learn' and 'stuff to do' front. How far a candidate
>> chooses
>>
>> > >>>> to
>> > >
>> > >>>> take that is a variable.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> For example the recommended reading list does covers a lot of
>> things
>> > >>> that
>> > >>>> are not tested in the lab but are still potentially very
useful to
>> > >>>> know.
>> > >
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I think it's very useful for a CCIE to have at least a handle
on
>> > >>> switching
>> > >>>> platforms that are not tested but if you check the recommended
>> > reading
>> > >>>> list..its there in Kennedy Clark and has been for 8 years..
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1578700949
>> > > <
>>
<http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1578700949&rl=1>
>> http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1578700949&rl=1>
>> > > &rl=1
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> So you can certainly get some knowhow there during the course
of
>> your
>>
>> > >>> CCIE
>> > >>>> studies.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> In the lab today, ISDN etc is off. That doesn't mean we won't
ever
>> > >>>> find
>> > >>> ISDN
>> > >>>> out there or DLSW+ or connections to DEC/VAX someplace.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> But whatever you come up against in the world of work I would
say
>> > >>>> having
>> > >>> a
>> > >>>> CCIE probably demonstrates to an employer that you are quite
>> capable
>> > >>>> of
>> > >>>> figuring more than a few things out.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>>> From: "Scott Morris" < <mailto: smorris@ipexpert.com>
>> > > smorris@ipexpert.com>
>> > >>>> To: "'Jason Plank'" < Jason_Plank@condenast.com
>> <mailto:Jason_Plank@condenast.com> >; "'Serdar Kut'"
>> > >>>> < <mailto:kutserdar@gmail.com> kutserdar@gmail.com
>> <mailto:kutserdar@gmail.com> >; "'Narbik
>> > > Kocharians'" <narbikk@gmail.com>
>> > >>>> Cc: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" < <mailto: mikraus@cisco.com
>> <mailto:mikraus@cisco.com> >
>> > > mikraus@cisco.com>; "'Eric Dobyns'"
>> > >>>> <eric_dobyns@yahoo.com <mailto:eric_dobyns@yahoo.com> >;
>> > >>>> "'Digital
>> Yemeni'" <
>> > > <mailto:digital.yemeni@gmail.com> digital.yemeni@gmail.com >;
>> > >>>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > >>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:29 PM
>> > >>>> Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> What are you looking for the CCIE to do for you? If you are
>> telling
>> > >>> me
>> > >>>>> that
>> > >>>>> a person who has his/her CCIE cannot reasonably sit down and
>> FIGURE
>> > >>> OUT
>> > >>>>> the
>> > >>>>> 6500 or new things, then I'd say that person didn't study
enough
>> for
>> > >>> their
>> > >>>>> exam and got pretty damned lucky.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Nobody knows everything. And you can't design a test around
>> > >>> everything.
>> > >>>>> While marketing people would love you for saying it's their
top
>> > >>> product, I
>> > >>>>> would say that certainly has to do with what
market/application
>> you
>> > >>> are
>> > >>>>> playing in. If it's all you see, I'm happy for you, but it's
not
>> all
>>
>> > >>>>> that's
>> > >>>>> out there!
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> So how many pieces of equipment would you like to see show up
in
>> the
>> > >>> CCIE
>> > >>>>> lab?
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Not having touched and knowing nothing are two completely
>> different
>> > >>>>> concepts. There are many blades on a 6500 I haven't touched
>> before,
>>
>> > >>> but
>> > >>>>> I'd
>> > >>>>> like to think I could figure them out if needed! THAT is
being a
>> > >>> CCIE.
>> > >>>>> Not
>> > >>>>> necessarily touching anything and everything.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Relax and focus on the important things.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Should you need to renew/retake your drivers license if you
>> > >>>>> decide
>> > >>>>> you
>> > >>>>> want
>> > >>>>> an SUV instead of a car, or a hybrid instead of a "regular"
>> car? Or
>> > >>>>> a
>> > >>>>> pickup truck?
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I mean... They ARE different.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>> #4713,
>> > >>> JNCIE
>> > >>>>> #153, CISSP, et al.
>> > >>>>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>> > >>>>> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
>> > >>>>> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> smorris@ipexpert.com <mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>> > >>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>> > >>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>> From: Jason Plank [mailto:Jason_Plank@condenast.com
>> <mailto:Jason_Plank@condenast.com>
>> > > <mailto:Jason_Plank@condenast.com> ]
>> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:33 PM
>> > >>>>> To: Scott Morris; 'Serdar Kut'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
>> > >>>>> Cc: 'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'; 'Eric Dobyns'; 'Digital Yemeni';
>> > >>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> So you think it helps the value of the CCIE that it can
produce a
>> > >>>>> CCIE
>> > >>>>> that
>> > >>>>> knows NOTHING about a 6500? What is cisco's top product? What
are
>> > you
>> > >>>>> considered if you are a CCIE. Doesn't mesh in my mind.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Totally disagree.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On 6/21/07 1:38 PM, "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Should it matter?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> The CCIE tests your knowledge of technologies, not product.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> The stuff you can do with a 6500 at a basic switching
technology
>> > >>> level
>> > >>>>>> isn't really any different than the switches we currently
>> have. If
>> > >>> we
>> > >>>>>> start taking service modules, that's different, but that's a
>> whole
>> > >>> new
>> > >>>>>> technology base.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> *shrug* HUGE expense difference not only for them to
rollout,
>> but
>> > >>>>>> foreveryone to study!
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>> #4713,
>> > >>>>>> JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
>> > >>>>>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>> > >>>>>> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
>> > >>>>>> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>> > >>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>> > >>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com>
>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> > Behalf
>> > >>>>>> Of Serdar Kut
>> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:55 AM
>> > >>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> > >>>>>> Cc: Mike Kraus (mikraus); Eric Dobyns; Digital Yemeni;
>> > >>>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> I actually agree with Narbik..It is a big shame not to be
aware
>> of
>> > >>>>>> 6500 and 4500 chasis and config tricks for a CCIE I think.
And
>> > also,
>> > >>>>>> as a CCIE, most of time I deal with big chasis, not much
with
>> 3560s
>> > >>> or
>> > >>>>> less.
>> > >>>>>> It should be good I think
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Serdar Kut
>> > >>>>>> CCIE#18130
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Actually i hope they do that, because that would be the
closest
>> > >>> thing
>> > >>>>>>> to the real world. No matter where you go these days, you
see
>> > >>>>>>> at
>> > >>>>>>> least one 6500 series up and running. I think it would
benefit
>> the
>>
>> > >>>>> program.
>> > >>>>>>> You may see a 3560 here and there, but you will definitely
see
>> > >>>>>>> a
>> > >>>>>>> lot
>> > >>>>>>> of firms having 6500 series. To be honest i typically see a
>> > mixture
>> > >>>>>>> of 4000/4500 and a 6500 in a collapsed core design.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On 6/19/07, Mike Kraus (mikraus) < mikraus@cisco.com>
wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Not sure of the point of that in the R&S lab.... Really
don't
>> see
>>
>> > >>>>>>>> them starting to test on the service modules on the 6500
in
>> > >>>>>>>> the
>> > >>> R&S.
>> > >>>>>>>> And, in many cases the 3560 has greater feature velocity.
So,
>> it
>>
>> > >>>>>>>> would cost the CCIE program more money, a more rack space,
but
>> > >>>>>>>> doesn't really give them many more test topics.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
<mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com>
>> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> > >>> Behalf
>> > >>>>>>>> Of Eric Dobyns
>> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:30 PM
>> > >>>>>>>> To: 'Digital Yemeni'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
>> > >>>>>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> I believe you have a 3550 and 3 3650 all running L3, which
>> > >>> basically
>> > >>>>>>>> means you've got 13 routers to deal with.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com
>> > > <mailto: <mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com> nobody@groupstudy.com> ]
On
>> > >>> Behalf
>> > >>>>>>>> Of Digital Yemeni
>> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:49 PM
>> > >>>>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> > >>>>>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> nope nope! Cisco has recently faced some severe budget
>> > limitations
>> > >>>>>>>> and brought back the 2500s and L2 1900 switches!! :p
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Brad, since you're a Cisco Sponsored Organization, the
>> > >>>>>>>> confirmation
>> > >>>>>>>> (not the
>> > >>>>>>>> question!) should come from you isn't it? ;-)
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians < narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> I heard 85xx and 12xxx
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On 6/19/07, Brad Ellis < brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyone else hear this?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Brad Ellis
>> > >>>>>>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> > >>>>>>>>>> CCSI#30482
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored Organization
(SO)
>> YES!
>> > >>>>>>>>>> We take Cisco Learning credits!
>> > >>>>>>>>>> brad@ccbootcamp.com
>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and Advanced
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Technology
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>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>> > >>>>>>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> > >>>>>>>>> CCSI# 30832
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > __________________________________________________________________
>> > >>>>>>>>> ____ _ Subscription information may be found at:
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>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>> Best Regards!
>> > >>>>>>>> Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects
enough
>> $$
>>
>> > >>>>>>>> out of me!
>> > >>>>>>>> :p
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>
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