From: dschulz@skyline-ats.com
Date: Sat Jun 23 2007 - 00:31:44 ART
That would probably include the electric bill to power the thing.
Dave
> $100,000?
>
> You don't get to Ebay much, do you? :)
>
> _____
>
> From: john matijevic [mailto:john.matijevic@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:09 PM
> To: Jason Plank
> Cc: Ryan; Joe Mama; Gary Duncanson; Scott Morris; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>
>
> Hello All,
> CCIE is a software certification from what I understand used to also test
> hardware with cabling when it was a 2 day lab. You could not only test the
> 6500 but you could test how to mount a 6500 or how to put in a blade,
> cabling, how to put in a new jack, how to punch down. There are many
> aspects
> of networking out there, not to mention how to use a fluke/toner how to
> test
> continuity vs connectivity. How to test out the pins on the wire, how to
> test from the jack on the wall plate to the patch panels to the switch.
> Again this is a software certification. Also if you introduce the 6500 on
> the lab, most people would not be able to afford a $100000+ piece of
> equipment in their home labs. It would drive the cost up considerably but
> would lower the number of CCIE's. which probably would not be in Cisco's
> best interest. Just my .02 cents
> Sincerely,
> John
>
>
> On 6/22/07, Jason Plank <Jason_Plank@condenast.com> wrote:
>
> *golf clap*
>
>
> On 6/22/07 1:12 PM, "Ryan" <ryan95842@gmail.com
> <mailto:ryan95842@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>> 65xx/76xx
>>
>> It's a freaking router people!!! (ok, Multi-layer switch)...what's the
>> big
>> deal???
>>
>> Why is everyone so scared and intimidated of the thing? I seriously
>> don't
>> get it...
>>
>> Maybe someone could explain why it's so "hard" to use one...I've been
> using
>> them for over 6 years...so what. Nothing on the 6509 I've done has
> required
>> any kind of magical super talent/knowledge.
>>
>> It's just another piece of hardware folks...big whoop.
>>
>>
>> -Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/22/07, Joe Mama <jsmith1234550@gmail.com
> <mailto:jsmith1234550@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> One more thing....
>>>
>>> Every large company will buy a 6500 and Cisco really doesn't need to
>>> market this platform all that much as the 3560. Most companies I've
>>> worked for use them for Access, Dsitribution, Core, etc. There really
>>> is no competiton; a 6500 is awesome!
>>>
>>> If every CCIE knows the 3560, then, when they go to make a choice for
>>> a small site, etc/ they will know all of the features and choose the
>>> trusty switch that got them their ccie......you see what i mean? The
>>> CCIE is a good way for Cisco to market their newer products that are
>>> not that well klnown but are great for a small site. Cisco's main
>>> competion is in this area. In some of our very small sites, we run
>>> 2811's / 3560's / 3845's and they are fantastic and extremely powerful
>>> (in RAM and feature set capability, etc..) and I certainly am very
>>> comfortable with them due to my studies, etc. and would not even
>>> propose another type of network device (from another company) because
>>> I am so confident in their abilities.
>>>
>>> The 3560 and 3845 platforms are great! Of course, for any decent size
>>> campus, only 65xx-E with SUP720x will do, but Cisco really doesn't
>>> need to push this. Also, as was mentioned, having 4 6500's in a
>>> regualr R&S lab would limit the number of people going for CCIes which
>>> would not be good for Cisco......
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On 6/22/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com > wrote:
>>>> Yeah,
>>>>
>>>> In some situations a CCIE is a metric of what you should be *capable*
>>> of,
>>>> not necessarily what you can *do* straight off the bat.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody knows everything. The CCIE provides as much as is reasonable on
>>> the
>>>> 'stuff to learn' and 'stuff to do' front. How far a candidate chooses
>>>> to
>
>>>> take that is a variable.
>>>>
>>>> For example the recommended reading list does covers a lot of things
>>> that
>>>> are not tested in the lab but are still potentially very useful to
>>>> know.
>
>>>>
>>>> I think it's very useful for a CCIE to have at least a handle on
>>> switching
>>>> platforms that are not tested but if you check the recommended reading
>>>> list..its there in Kennedy Clark and has been for 8 years..
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1578700949
> <http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1578700949&rl=1>
> &rl=1
>>>>
>>>> So you can certainly get some knowhow there during the course of your
>>> CCIE
>>>> studies.
>>>>
>>>> In the lab today, ISDN etc is off. That doesn't mean we won't ever
>>>> find
>>> ISDN
>>>> out there or DLSW+ or connections to DEC/VAX someplace.
>>>>
>>>> But whatever you come up against in the world of work I would say
>>>> having
>>> a
>>>> CCIE probably demonstrates to an employer that you are quite capable
>>>> of
>>>> figuring more than a few things out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Scott Morris" < <mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com>
> smorris@ipexpert.com>
>>>> To: "'Jason Plank'" <Jason_Plank@condenast.com>; "'Serdar Kut'"
>>>> < <mailto:kutserdar@gmail.com> kutserdar@gmail.com>; "'Narbik
> Kocharians'" <narbikk@gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" < <mailto:mikraus@cisco.com>
> mikraus@cisco.com>; "'Eric Dobyns'"
>>>> <eric_dobyns@yahoo.com>; "'Digital Yemeni'" <
> <mailto:digital.yemeni@gmail.com> digital.yemeni@gmail.com>;
>>>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:29 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What are you looking for the CCIE to do for you? If you are telling
>>> me
>>>>> that
>>>>> a person who has his/her CCIE cannot reasonably sit down and FIGURE
>>> OUT
>>>>> the
>>>>> 6500 or new things, then I'd say that person didn't study enough for
>>> their
>>>>> exam and got pretty damned lucky.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody knows everything. And you can't design a test around
>>> everything.
>>>>> While marketing people would love you for saying it's their top
>>> product, I
>>>>> would say that certainly has to do with what market/application you
>>> are
>>>>> playing in. If it's all you see, I'm happy for you, but it's not all
>>>>> that's
>>>>> out there!
>>>>>
>>>>> So how many pieces of equipment would you like to see show up in the
>>> CCIE
>>>>> lab?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not having touched and knowing nothing are two completely different
>>>>> concepts. There are many blades on a 6500 I haven't touched before,
>>> but
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> like to think I could figure them out if needed! THAT is being a
>>> CCIE.
>>>>> Not
>>>>> necessarily touching anything and everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Relax and focus on the important things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should you need to renew/retake your drivers license if you decide
>>>>> you
>>>>> want
>>>>> an SUV instead of a car, or a hybrid instead of a "regular" car? Or
>>>>> a
>>>>> pickup truck?
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean... They ARE different.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>> JNCIE
>>>>> #153, CISSP, et al.
>>>>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>>>>> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>>
>>>>> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>>>>>
>>>>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Jason Plank [mailto:Jason_Plank@condenast.com
> <mailto:Jason_Plank@condenast.com> ]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:33 PM
>>>>> To: Scott Morris; 'Serdar Kut'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
>>>>> Cc: 'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'; 'Eric Dobyns'; 'Digital Yemeni';
>>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>>
>>>>> So you think it helps the value of the CCIE that it can produce a
>>>>> CCIE
>>>>> that
>>>>> knows NOTHING about a 6500? What is cisco's top product? What are you
>>>>> considered if you are a CCIE. Doesn't mesh in my mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Totally disagree.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/21/07 1:38 PM, "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Should it matter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The CCIE tests your knowledge of technologies, not product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The stuff you can do with a 6500 at a basic switching technology
>>> level
>>>>>> isn't really any different than the switches we currently have. If
>>> we
>>>>>> start taking service modules, that's different, but that's a whole
>>> new
>>>>>> technology base.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *shrug* HUGE expense difference not only for them to rollout, but
>>>>>> foreveryone to study!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>>>>> JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>>>>>> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Serdar Kut
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:55 AM
>>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>> Cc: Mike Kraus (mikraus); Eric Dobyns; Digital Yemeni;
>>>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I actually agree with Narbik..It is a big shame not to be aware of
>>>>>> 6500 and 4500 chasis and config tricks for a CCIE I think. And also,
>>>>>> as a CCIE, most of time I deal with big chasis, not much with 3560s
>>> or
>>>>> less.
>>>>>> It should be good I think
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Serdar Kut
>>>>>> CCIE#18130
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually i hope they do that, because that would be the closest
>>> thing
>>>>>>> to the real world. No matter where you go these days, you see at
>>>>>>> least one 6500 series up and running. I think it would benefit the
>>>>> program.
>>>>>>> You may see a 3560 here and there, but you will definitely see a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>> of firms having 6500 series. To be honest i typically see a mixture
>>>>>>> of 4000/4500 and a 6500 in a collapsed core design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/19/07, Mike Kraus (mikraus) <mikraus@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure of the point of that in the R&S lab.... Really don't see
>>>>>>>> them starting to test on the service modules on the 6500 in the
>>> R&S.
>>>>>>>> And, in many cases the 3560 has greater feature velocity. So, it
>>>>>>>> would cost the CCIE program more money, a more rack space, but
>>>>>>>> doesn't really give them many more test topics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com>
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Eric Dobyns
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:30 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Digital Yemeni'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
>>>>>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe you have a 3550 and 3 3650 all running L3, which
>>> basically
>>>>>>>> means you've got 13 routers to deal with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com
> <mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com> ] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Digital Yemeni
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:49 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nope nope! Cisco has recently faced some severe budget limitations
>>>>>>>> and brought back the 2500s and L2 1900 switches!! :p
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad, since you're a Cisco Sponsored Organization, the
>>>>>>>> confirmation
>>>>>>>> (not the
>>>>>>>> question!) should come from you isn't it? ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians < narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I heard 85xx and 12xxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/07, Brad Ellis < brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else hear this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Brad Ellis
>>>>>>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>>>>>>>>> CCSI#30482
>>>>>>>>>> Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) YES!
>>>>>>>>>> We take Cisco Learning credits!
>>>>>>>>>> brad@ccbootcamp.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and Advanced
>>>>>>>>>> Technology
>>>>>>>>>> Rental
>>>>>>>>>> Racks)
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>>>>> CCSI# 30832
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best Regards!
>>>>>>>> Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects enough $$
>>>>>>>> out of me!
>>>>>>>> :p
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>>> CCSI# 30832
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Senior Network Engineer
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