From: Jason Plank (Jason_Plank@condenast.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 2007 - 14:51:17 ART
Who isn't relaxed? YOU relax. I am voicing my opinion. Whether or not anyone
wants to agree means very little to me. My thoughts are based on real world
experience, nothing more.
Thanks
On 6/22/07 11:29 AM, "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> What are you looking for the CCIE to do for you? If you are telling me that
> a person who has his/her CCIE cannot reasonably sit down and FIGURE OUT the
> 6500 or new things, then I'd say that person didn't study enough for their
> exam and got pretty damned lucky.
>
> Nobody knows everything. And you can't design a test around everything.
> While marketing people would love you for saying it's their top product, I
> would say that certainly has to do with what market/application you are
> playing in. If it's all you see, I'm happy for you, but it's not all that's
> out there!
>
> So how many pieces of equipment would you like to see show up in the CCIE
> lab?
>
> Not having touched and knowing nothing are two completely different
> concepts. There are many blades on a 6500 I haven't touched before, but I'd
> like to think I could figure them out if needed! THAT is being a CCIE. Not
> necessarily touching anything and everything.
>
> Relax and focus on the important things.
>
> Should you need to renew/retake your drivers license if you decide you want
> an SUV instead of a car, or a hybrid instead of a "regular" car? Or a
> pickup truck?
>
> I mean... They ARE different.
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153, CISSP, et al.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Plank [mailto:Jason_Plank@condenast.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:33 PM
> To: Scott Morris; 'Serdar Kut'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> Cc: 'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'; 'Eric Dobyns'; 'Digital Yemeni';
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>
> So you think it helps the value of the CCIE that it can produce a CCIE that
> knows NOTHING about a 6500? What is cisco's top product? What are you
> considered if you are a CCIE. Doesn't mesh in my mind.
>
> Totally disagree.
>
>
> On 6/21/07 1:38 PM, "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
>> Should it matter?
>>
>> The CCIE tests your knowledge of technologies, not product.
>>
>> The stuff you can do with a 6500 at a basic switching technology level
>> isn't really any different than the switches we currently have. If we
>> start taking service modules, that's different, but that's a whole new
>> technology base.
>>
>> *shrug* HUGE expense difference not only for them to rollout, but
>> foreveryone to study!
>>
>>
>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>> JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
>> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>>
>> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>>
>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>>
>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>> http://www.ipexpert.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Serdar Kut
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:55 AM
>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> Cc: Mike Kraus (mikraus); Eric Dobyns; Digital Yemeni;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>
>> I actually agree with Narbik..It is a big shame not to be aware of
>> 6500 and 4500 chasis and config tricks for a CCIE I think. And also,
>> as a CCIE, most of time I deal with big chasis, not much with 3560s or
> less.
>> It should be good I think
>>
>>
>>
>> Serdar Kut
>> CCIE#18130
>>
>>
>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually i hope they do that, because that would be the closest thing
>>> to the real world. No matter where you go these days, you see at
>>> least one 6500 series up and running. I think it would benefit the
> program.
>>> You may see a 3560 here and there, but you will definitely see a lot
>>> of firms having 6500 series. To be honest i typically see a mixture
>>> of 4000/4500 and a 6500 in a collapsed core design.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/19/07, Mike Kraus (mikraus) <mikraus@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure of the point of that in the R&S lab.... Really don't see
>>>> them starting to test on the service modules on the 6500 in the R&S.
>>>> And, in many cases the 3560 has greater feature velocity. So, it
>>>> would cost the CCIE program more money, a more rack space, but
>>>> doesn't really give them many more test topics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Eric Dobyns
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:30 PM
>>>> To: 'Digital Yemeni'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>
>>>> I believe you have a 3550 and 3 3650 all running L3, which basically
>>>> means you've got 13 routers to deal with.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Digital Yemeni
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:49 PM
>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
>>>>
>>>> nope nope! Cisco has recently faced some severe budget limitations
>>>> and brought back the 2500s and L2 1900 switches!! :p
>>>>
>>>> Brad, since you're a Cisco Sponsored Organization, the confirmation
>>>> (not the
>>>> question!) should come from you isn't it? ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard 85xx and 12xxx
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/19/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone else hear this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>> Brad Ellis
>>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>>>>> CCSI#30482
>>>>>> Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) YES!
>>>>>> We take Cisco Learning credits!
>>>>>> brad@ccbootcamp.com
>>>>>> http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and Advanced Technology
>>>>>> Rental
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>> CCSI# 30832
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards!
>>>> Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects enough $$
>>>> out of me!
>>>> :p
>>>>
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>>>
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>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>> CCSI# 30832
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