From: Ryan (ryan95842@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 2007 - 14:12:53 ART
65xx/76xx
It's a freaking router people!!! (ok, Multi-layer switch)...what's the big
deal???
Why is everyone so scared and intimidated of the thing? I seriously don't
get it...
Maybe someone could explain why it's so "hard" to use one...I've been using
them for over 6 years...so what. Nothing on the 6509 I've done has required
any kind of magical super talent/knowledge.
It's just another piece of hardware folks...big whoop.
-Ryan
On 6/22/07, Joe Mama <jsmith1234550@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> One more thing....
>
> Every large company will buy a 6500 and Cisco really doesn't need to
> market this platform all that much as the 3560. Most companies I've
> worked for use them for Access, Dsitribution, Core, etc. There really
> is no competiton; a 6500 is awesome!
>
> If every CCIE knows the 3560, then, when they go to make a choice for
> a small site, etc/ they will know all of the features and choose the
> trusty switch that got them their ccie......you see what i mean? The
> CCIE is a good way for Cisco to market their newer products that are
> not that well klnown but are great for a small site. Cisco's main
> competion is in this area. In some of our very small sites, we run
> 2811's / 3560's / 3845's and they are fantastic and extremely powerful
> (in RAM and feature set capability, etc..) and I certainly am very
> comfortable with them due to my studies, etc. and would not even
> propose another type of network device (from another company) because
> I am so confident in their abilities.
>
> The 3560 and 3845 platforms are great! Of course, for any decent size
> campus, only 65xx-E with SUP720x will do, but Cisco really doesn't
> need to push this. Also, as was mentioned, having 4 6500's in a
> regualr R&S lab would limit the number of people going for CCIes which
> would not be good for Cisco......
>
>
> Joe
>
> Andre
>
> Joe
>
> On 6/22/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Yeah,
> >
> > In some situations a CCIE is a metric of what you should be *capable*
> of,
> > not necessarily what you can *do* straight off the bat.
> >
> > Nobody knows everything. The CCIE provides as much as is reasonable on
> the
> > 'stuff to learn' and 'stuff to do' front. How far a candidate chooses to
> > take that is a variable.
> >
> > For example the recommended reading list does covers a lot of things
> that
> > are not tested in the lab but are still potentially very useful to know.
> >
> > I think it's very useful for a CCIE to have at least a handle on
> switching
> > platforms that are not tested but if you check the recommended reading
> > list..its there in Kennedy Clark and has been for 8 years..
> >
> > http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1578700949&rl=1
> >
> > So you can certainly get some knowhow there during the course of your
> CCIE
> > studies.
> >
> > In the lab today, ISDN etc is off. That doesn't mean we won't ever find
> ISDN
> > out there or DLSW+ or connections to DEC/VAX someplace.
> >
> > But whatever you come up against in the world of work I would say having
> a
> > CCIE probably demonstrates to an employer that you are quite capable of
> > figuring more than a few things out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> > To: "'Jason Plank'" <Jason_Plank@condenast.com>; "'Serdar Kut'"
> > <kutserdar@gmail.com>; "'Narbik Kocharians'" <narbikk@gmail.com>
> > Cc: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus@cisco.com>; "'Eric Dobyns'"
> > <eric_dobyns@yahoo.com>; "'Digital Yemeni'" <digital.yemeni@gmail.com>;
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:29 PM
> > Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> >
> >
> > > What are you looking for the CCIE to do for you? If you are telling
> me
> > > that
> > > a person who has his/her CCIE cannot reasonably sit down and FIGURE
> OUT
> > > the
> > > 6500 or new things, then I'd say that person didn't study enough for
> their
> > > exam and got pretty damned lucky.
> > >
> > > Nobody knows everything. And you can't design a test around
> everything.
> > > While marketing people would love you for saying it's their top
> product, I
> > > would say that certainly has to do with what market/application you
> are
> > > playing in. If it's all you see, I'm happy for you, but it's not all
> > > that's
> > > out there!
> > >
> > > So how many pieces of equipment would you like to see show up in the
> CCIE
> > > lab?
> > >
> > > Not having touched and knowing nothing are two completely different
> > > concepts. There are many blades on a 6500 I haven't touched before,
> but
> > > I'd
> > > like to think I could figure them out if needed! THAT is being a
> CCIE.
> > > Not
> > > necessarily touching anything and everything.
> > >
> > > Relax and focus on the important things.
> > >
> > > Should you need to renew/retake your drivers license if you decide you
> > > want
> > > an SUV instead of a car, or a hybrid instead of a "regular" car? Or a
> > > pickup truck?
> > >
> > > I mean... They ARE different.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> JNCIE
> > > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > >
> > > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> > >
> > > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > >
> > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > > http://www.ipexpert.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason Plank [mailto:Jason_Plank@condenast.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:33 PM
> > > To: Scott Morris; 'Serdar Kut'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> > > Cc: 'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'; 'Eric Dobyns'; 'Digital Yemeni';
> > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> > >
> > > So you think it helps the value of the CCIE that it can produce a CCIE
> > > that
> > > knows NOTHING about a 6500? What is cisco's top product? What are you
> > > considered if you are a CCIE. Doesn't mesh in my mind.
> > >
> > > Totally disagree.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/21/07 1:38 PM, "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Should it matter?
> > >>
> > >> The CCIE tests your knowledge of technologies, not product.
> > >>
> > >> The stuff you can do with a 6500 at a basic switching technology
> level
> > >> isn't really any different than the switches we currently have. If
> we
> > >> start taking service modules, that's different, but that's a whole
> new
> > >> technology base.
> > >>
> > >> *shrug* HUGE expense difference not only for them to rollout, but
> > >> foreveryone to study!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> > >> JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
> > >> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > >> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > >> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > >>
> > >> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> > >>
> > >> smorris@ipexpert.com
> > >>
> > >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > >> http://www.ipexpert.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > >> Of Serdar Kut
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:55 AM
> > >> To: Narbik Kocharians
> > >> Cc: Mike Kraus (mikraus); Eric Dobyns; Digital Yemeni;
> > >> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> > >>
> > >> I actually agree with Narbik..It is a big shame not to be aware of
> > >> 6500 and 4500 chasis and config tricks for a CCIE I think. And also,
> > >> as a CCIE, most of time I deal with big chasis, not much with 3560s
> or
> > > less.
> > >> It should be good I think
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Serdar Kut
> > >> CCIE#18130
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Actually i hope they do that, because that would be the closest
> thing
> > >>> to the real world. No matter where you go these days, you see at
> > >>> least one 6500 series up and running. I think it would benefit the
> > > program.
> > >>> You may see a 3560 here and there, but you will definitely see a lot
> > >>> of firms having 6500 series. To be honest i typically see a mixture
> > >>> of 4000/4500 and a 6500 in a collapsed core design.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 6/19/07, Mike Kraus (mikraus) <mikraus@cisco.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Not sure of the point of that in the R&S lab.... Really don't see
> > >>>> them starting to test on the service modules on the 6500 in the
> R&S.
> > >>>> And, in many cases the 3560 has greater feature velocity. So, it
> > >>>> would cost the CCIE program more money, a more rack space, but
> > >>>> doesn't really give them many more test topics.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > >>>> Of Eric Dobyns
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:30 PM
> > >>>> To: 'Digital Yemeni'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> > >>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >>>> Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I believe you have a 3550 and 3 3650 all running L3, which
> basically
> > >>>> means you've got 13 routers to deal with.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > >>>> Of Digital Yemeni
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:49 PM
> > >>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
> > >>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> nope nope! Cisco has recently faced some severe budget limitations
> > >>>> and brought back the 2500s and L2 1900 switches!! :p
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Brad, since you're a Cisco Sponsored Organization, the confirmation
> > >>>> (not the
> > >>>> question!) should come from you isn't it? ;-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I heard 85xx and 12xxx
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 6/19/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Anyone else hear this?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> thanks,
> > >>>>>> Brad Ellis
> > >>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > >>>>>> CCSI#30482
> > >>>>>> Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) YES!
> > >>>>>> We take Cisco Learning credits!
> > >>>>>> brad@ccbootcamp.com
> > >>>>>> http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and Advanced Technology
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Narbik Kocharians
> > >>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > >>>>> CCSI# 30832
> > >>>>>
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> > >>>> Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects enough $$
> > >>>> out of me!
> > >>>> :p
> > >>>>
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> > >>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > >>> CCSI# 30832
> > >>>
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