From: Daniel_Steyn@Dell.com
Date: Thu Jun 21 2007 - 19:01:57 ART
I also think that the CCIE is technology focused - not hardware focused.
Anyone who thinks that Cisco's main business is hardware is horribly
mistaken. I hope that Cisco continues to test us on technologies and
features that will last for a long time and therefore hold the value of
the CCIE. Testing us on hardware specific information means that they
are testing us on information that will be legacy in 4 years.
At the same time, I agree with you Jason. Any "expert" in this field is
expected to know the enterprise platforms inside and out - including the
6500s. But we have to ask ourselves...how many CCIE level questions can
come out of 6500 hardware? Not many at all. I think that Cisco needs
to include 6500 information into the written exam and stay software
focused on the lab. Let's not forget that Cisco also recommends
experience before taking a CCIE.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Jason Plank
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:35 PM
To: Douglas M Todd, Jr; serhat aslan
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
Give me a break. I see and read from CCIE's that get thrown in a
production
environment and are expected to understand the 6500 platform and they
simply
do not. They do not understand BASIC things like resetting modules. To
me if
you are going to call someone an expert they should have some clue about
your top product.
On 6/21/07 12:23 PM, "Douglas M Todd, Jr" <dtodd@PARTNERS.ORG> wrote:
> Well -
>
> Does not matter whether the platform is a 6500 or a 3500 or a 2900.
The
> thing that matters is that you understand the concepts and technology.
> Sure there are big differences between the platforms, but what does it
> matter? If the test is standardized so it will support 4-5 modules
then
> you just need to know the specifics on those modules. The bigger issue
> is what they support for technology and settings which differ between
> the modules.
>
> Personally, the 6500 is a fine box and just as understandable as a
3500.
> A router is a router and a switch is a switch. STP works the same on
> both boxes, ospf/eigrp/rip the same, nat, access-lists etc. Sure
there
> may be some different options available, but the core technologies are
> the same on either platform.
>
> Debugging would be more problematic on a 6500 since a lot of
information
> is not seen due to the hardware platform architecture.
>
> If you understand the hardcore topics then the 6500 is just another
box,
> more expensive, but a box none the less.
>
> Personally, I would welcome the 6500 on the lab exam since this is
what
> you will find in a lot of corporations. However, it really does not
> matter nor make sense to have this box on the lab exam. I would doubt
> they would put it on the exam when other boxes perform the needed
> functionality, are at a fraction of the price, have a smaller
footprint.
>
> The need is the technology not necessarily the platform.
>
> DMT
>
>
>
> serhat aslan wrote:
>> Especially I don't want to see 6500 at R&S.
>> 6500 series more than a modular switch (as well as 76xx) it is an
unique
>> platform(!). And has got many different type of modules then the
other
>> competitors can't do (ACE, CSS, IPS, VPN, NAM, etc...). And all
these
>> modules are result of different demands. For instance,
IPS->CCIE-Security,
>> CSS-Storage(or I thought). By the way some them are stand on the
>> cutting-edge.
>> R&S-lab is testing the protocols behaviors and features. Although
design
>> effected the nature of the routing/problem, R&S-lab has no worries on
the
>> design concepts(?) with integrating advanced security, L5 switching,
etc.. .
>> My opinion is 6500 must address at the CCIE-Architecture
>> Pls. don't mix the architecture base Capabilities + Design concepts
vs
>> Protocol type problems. If The main problem is to interact the real
life
>> situations, more effective method is setting up the mixed
heterogeneous
>> network. If they could use F5,Checkpoint,Nortel,Alcatel,Juniper,
3-party
>> equipments, it seems reasonable to me interact the real real-life
problems.
>> As the last point, there are a lot of best practices published at
networker
>> series. AFAIK, at least for the effective Cat6500 test we have to
use min. 2
>> of them and normally 4.
>>
>> Serhat Aslan
>>
>>
>>
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