From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 2007 - 07:46:26 ART
I think if there is anything in it, then yes, Cisco should go public about
it.
Numbers are up, perhaps over 200 in just over three weeks. It's been a busy
month worldwide.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salau, Yemi" <yemi.salau@siemens.com>
To: "Shakeer AC" <shakeerac@gmail.com>; "CCIE SG" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
> While a part of me says we're taking this Brussel norm too far, another
> can't seem to resist that "changing the configs" 1hr or 30mins before
> the end of the lab is totally unacceptable.
>
> If Cisco wants to include this as part of the exam, let them go public
> on this, also let this be done in all the lab centres, Brussel's
> candidate shouldn't be the only one to experience this ... it's just
> unfair and at the end of the day, over 100 pass CCIEs in other centres
> in days, while they kept failing people from Brussels intentionally.
>
> I'm not defending anyone as I can only speak for myself, If Cisco want
> to add this to their "Troubleshooting" tactics, then test-running this
> concept in just only 1 centre is unfair. I'm not sayinh what the
> Proctors are doing is wrong and I'm not justifying it either. All I'm
> saying is ... be fair at what you do ... but, what goes around, surely
> comes around!
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Yemi Salau
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Shakeer AC [mailto:shakeerac@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:53 AM
> To: Joe Rinehart
> Cc: Salau, Yemi; CCIE SG
> Subject: Re: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
>
>
> Hey Guys I am the new victim yesterday IN BRUSSELS.
>
> I had finshed the configs by lunch time. I checked once and everythng
> was working.
>
> The second time i checked i found the the redistribute has been taken
> off from ospf.
>
> also the multicast ip's was nnot reachable all of a sudden. one of the
> BB ip's got changed.
>
> All these were last one hour changes. So guys better lock the proctor
> from the lab before you start the exam.
>
> I have been reading lots of mail on this but this is the fact .
>
> Whatso ever this is not professional from Cisco and lets hope this will
> end soon.
>
> Regards,
> Shakeer
>
>
>
>
> On 6/19/07, Joe Rinehart <jjrinehart@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well what goes around comes around...maybe that's why it took me
> FIVE
> attempts :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Salau, Yemi
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:07 AM
> To: Joe Rinehart; CCIE SG
> Subject: RE: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
>
> In the Lab, He who brings down his Layer-2 should also be the
> one to bring
> it back up... At least he will find this out one way or the
> other.
> Although I suppose there are those who use CCIE Lab Racks as
> another
> collection of Practise Labs.
>
> With regards to Proctors, I have decided to be diplomatic, maybe
> when I get
> my magic numbers I wouldn't .... But for now, Proctors are my
> best friends
> in this Business :-) lol!
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Yemi Salau
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of Joe
> Rinehart
> Sent: 18 June 2007 18:34
> To: 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Scott Morris'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
>
> Although occasionally a lab candidate will do something
> unintentional like
> setting PAGP unconditionally that subsequently takes down the
> entire Layer 2
> switching backbone in the lab...
>
> Although that is just an anecdotal tale :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:24 AM
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
>
> I think this is just another manifestation of 'The Fear'.
>
> Proctors do not sabotage or screw around with lab candidates
> configurations.
>
> They do read groupstudy though :)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> To: "'Digital Yemeni'" < digital.yemeni@gmail.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:41 PM
> Subject: RE: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
>
>
> > CCIE Ghost Whisperers? ;)
> >
> > While personally, I would expect the troubleshooting portion
> to expand
> a
> > bit, the ideas where I see it going have nothing to do with
> live,
> > intermittant, random things being injected. That would be
> unfair on
> many
> > levels.
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
> JNCIE
> > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> >
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> Of
> > Digital Yemeni
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:31 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
> >
> > While it's VERY unreasonable for something like this to
> happen, the
> only
> > worry is that spreading of these rumors may make them come for
> real
> one
> > day!! :) I guess some guys are just stressed before even
> entering the
> > lab!!
> > ;-) If anyone has this amount of stress before even getting
> into the
> real
> > thing i would assure you that he/she can see ghosts on the lab
> booklet
> as
> > well! :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/18/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> While obviously it's hard to track things like that, I'd
> venture to
> >> say there's nothing the proctor has to gain by doing things
> like that
> >> mid-config. If they wanted to make you fail, they could just
> wait
> >> until the end of the exam and change whatever they felt like
> changing.
> >>
> >> While troubleshooting IS indeed part of the testing process,
> it's
> >> fairly well spelled out. And from what I remember reading in
> >> Maurillio's Ask-the-Expert Q&A session on NetPro, it was
> specifically
> >> mentioned about the problems in startup configs and not
> ongoing
> changes
> > introduced.
> >>
> >> Depending on your process of configuration, (e.g. cut 'n'
> paste) I'd
> >> say there's a myriad of possibilities to introduce errors
> like that
> >> all by yourself without any outside intervention.
> >>
> >> No offense to anyone who mentions this has happened to them,
> but it's
> >> just not plausible. If the proctor had it out for you, in
> that they
> >> wanted you to fail, there are so many other ways to do it
> without
> >> introducing the potential of getting caught that this makes
> no sense.
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
> >> JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
> >> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> >> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> >> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >>
> >> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >>
> >> smorris@ipexpert.com
> >>
> >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> >> http://www.ipexpert.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com ]
> On Behalf
> >> Of wjoh71@gmail.com
> >> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:55 AM
> >> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: RE: RE : Attack by Proctor
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I also had the same problem. 30 minutes before the end of
> exam in
> >> BRUSSELS, I noticed a couple of changes in the routers and
> switches.
> >> For example,
> >>
> >> 1. network statement (ip address ) under ospf got changed.
> >> 2. area 1 nssa kept in the other router though i configured
> in the
> >> right router.
> >> 3. additional eigrp process was running in the router.
> >>
> >> I am not sure whether these are part of exam troubleshooting
> or these
> >> are introduced by the proctors intentionally to make the
> candidates
> to
> > fail.
> >> Could any one comment on this?.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Joh
> >>
> >>
>
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> >
> > --
> > Best Regards!
> > Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects enough
> $$ out
> of
> > me!
> > :p
> >
> >
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