From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Fri Jun 08 2007 - 09:07:20 ART
Who's got the glove slap? Isn't that what starts the duel? :)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
jslauer@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 4:47 AM
To: Narbik Kocharians; Darby Weaver
Cc: Brian Dennis; Victor Cappuccio; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: 3550/3560 feature comparison [mx]
why don't we just settle this with a dual to the death? Networkers is coming
up and maybe it could replace KISS as the frontline entertainment?
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>; "Victor Cappuccio"
<victor@ccbootcamp.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:13 AM
Subject: Re: 3550/3560 feature comparison [mx]
> Girls,
>
>
>
> I am not sure who is right and who is wrong, but I have one question from
> all of you guys, is it possible that the person that made NLI's website
> and/or Internetwork expert's website innocently just did a search and
> copied
> the page in order to provide a service to the students?
>
> I want all of you to understand that neither Internetwork Expert nor NLI
> are
> charging the students for that information.
>
> I see both Brian and Victor's point in this matter, and I believe its
> nothing but a simple innocent mistake, since the information is neither
> NLI's nor Internetwork expert's intellectual property, it's a simple
> summary
> of what is freely available on Cisco's website, so basically what we are
> talking about is the actual format of the documentation, which I believe
> it
> sucks any way (just a joke). It's not like these guys copied each others
> work books.
>
> I am sure once both parties talk to the webmaster of their company, they
> will find out as to what happened and the problem will be corrected
> (Reformat the freaking document).
>
>
> On 6/7/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Everyone,
>>
>> Victor only asked why it could not be the other way
>> around. A reasonable question.
>>
>> He has not been at NLI for 6 months just yet as I
>> recall. Maybe, what, 4 months as I seem to recall.
>>
>> Just because he asked the question does not make him
>> personall unethical. Let's reserve that statement for
>> the party who actually copied the other company's work
>> and posted it as their own.
>>
>> I know Victor on a more personal level, and I for one,
>> do not believe he lacks ethics.
>>
>> Victor has worked hard to get where he is and just
>> because he posted a link from his company here on GS,
>> that looks to be exactly the same as the one of a
>> competitor does not make him unethical.
>>
>> Now, I would wonder when he site posted their page
>> since it seems to be an "interesting battle of ethics"
>> between two companies.
>>
>> Someone obviously took the time to research the issue
>> and to figure out which features applied to which
>> version of IOS.
>>
>> So who is right and who is wrong?
>>
>> Brian Dennis asserts very strongly that he created
>> this work orginally and even has a link to it as early
>> as the date listed/marked on Groupstudy at minimum.
>> This may very well be the truth.
>>
>> Now the question would be how long the link has been
>> up at NLI (to be fair).
>>
>> I am sure Brad Ellis and his team are looking into
>> this one by now.
>>
>> ------------
>>
>> But let's not attack an employ of the company who has
>> not been proven to be personally liable (unless the
>> company he his working for is willing to put his neck
>> on the line as well - since this is serious and could
>> be career-affecting).
>>
>> So now the question is:
>>
>> When did NLI post their that information on their
>> site?
>>
>> Now if they should be able to produce proof that their
>> site had it first... are we going to hear an apology?
>> Or if they don't - again will we here an apology?
>>
>> While someone obviously had to submit the information
>> for posting on NLI's site, and it may have even been
>> Victor, at the moment none of us, know this to be true
>> at this time.
>>
>> Let's give Victor a small reprieve - he is getting
>> ready for a CCIE Lab at the moment and I am sure he
>> personally has better uses for his own mental
>> energies.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Victor,
>> > So your company9s website ends up with a document
>> > that I wrote over 6 months
>> > ago (see below) and then you have the audacity to
>> > publicly accuse me of
>> > stealing it from you? I9ve seen some pretty poor
>> > ethics on this list over
>> > the years but I wouldn9t have expected it from you
>> > personally.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200611/msg00970.html
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
>> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>> >
>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/7/07 5:37 PM, "Victor Cappuccio"
>> > <victor@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Brian,
>> > >
>> > > No, I ( WE ) did NOT copy the web page into "the
>> > company web server", Why
>> > It
>> > > could not be as the other way around?
>> > >
>> > > I am not the web master of my company web server,
>> > So I would advice you to
>> > > address your concerns to support@ccbootcamp.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > thanks,
>> > > Victor Cappuccio.-
>> > > - CCSI# 31452
>> > >
>> > > Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored
>> > Organization (SO) YES! We take
>> > > Cisco Learning credits!
>> > > victor@ccbootcamp.com
>> > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and
>> > Rental Racks)
>> > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/groupstudy.html
>> > (groupstudy member discounts!)
>> > > Voice: 702-968-5100
>> > > FAX: 702-446-8012
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Brian Dennis
>> > [mailto:bdennis@internetworkexpert.com]
>> > > Sent: Thu 6/7/2007 8:15
>> > > To: Victor Cappuccio; thomas.rader@freesurf.ch;
>> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: Re: 3550/3560 feature comparison [mx]
>> > >
>> > > Victor,
>> > > So you just copied the page that I wrote
>> > months ago and put it up on
>> > > your site?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/resources/ccie-3560-3550.htm
>> > >
>> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/tech-notes/3550vs3560.html
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
>> > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
>> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>> > >
>> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 6/7/07 12:39 AM, "Victor Cappuccio"
>> > <victor@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> > This link may help you
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/tech-notes/3550vs3560.html
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > thanks,
>> > >> > Victor Cappuccio.-
>> > >> > - CCSI# 31452
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored
>> > Organization (SO) YES! We take
>> > >> > Cisco Learning credits!
>> > >> > victor@ccbootcamp.com
>> > >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and
>> > Rental Racks)
>> > >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/groupstudy.html
>> > (groupstudy member discounts!)
>> > >> > Voice: 702-968-5100
>> > >> > FAX: 702-446-8012
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of
>> > thomas.rader@freesurf.ch
>> > >> > Sent: Thu 6/7/2007 0:01
>> > >> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > >> > Subject: 3550/3560 feature comparison
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Hello,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Does anyone have a list of the differences in
>> > the features between the
>> > 3550
>> > &
>> > >> > 3560 switches?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ie, PVLAN support, etc.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I've only got 3550's in my ccie rack, and am
>> > trying to do a "gap
>> > analysis"
>> > >> to
>> > >> > see what I need to be aware of.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks, Thomas
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> >
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> Narbik Kocharians
> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> CCSI# 30832
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