From: DWINKWORTH@wi.rr.com
Date: Tue May 08 2007 - 14:24:07 ART
Can we take this conversation off-line or pre-fix the subject with OT
so I can filter it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Gobind <gobind@inbox.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:07 pm
Subject: RE: Awesome Bootcamp
To: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com, smorris@ipexpert.com,
anthonybonilla.ccie@gmail.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> HUH? Jatinder can you tell me how I am making other fool? Just
> tell me one reason? I mean I am talking about my experience when
> there were only two students,if I got attention that I needed and
> I got 1-2-1 training and my other friends also who passed after
> getting training from them and after that you are saying I am
> making everyone fool?! What do I get to make other fool and
> misguide them,if it would have been that I dint get their
> attention from them while training and THEN I come here and tell
> others here one-on-one thing that would have been so called
> "Making other Fool",if you had bad experience that doesnt mean
> that everyone would/should have and cant share their good
> experience(and my other 3 friends too had).I dont have any
> intentions to arguing out here anymore on this topic,if you had
> bad experience then you are most welcome to share on GS,but if
> someone have good personal experience while training he also has
> right to share I believe out here,this is what known a!
> s Group Study,so that everyone can know things,so you dont have
> any right to say that if someone has good experience then he is
> fooling everyone.
>
> Gobind
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com
> > Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:27:11 +0100
> > To: gobind@inbox.com, smorris@ipexpert.com,
> anthonybonilla.ccie@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Awesome Bootcamp
> >
> > Gobind,
> >
> > you have been there only for one week. I have been there for 30
> days and
> > 12 hours everyday. Just doing labs only and I have 12 years of
> networking> experience at that time . After that Also I Fail
> because they never do
> > 1-2-1 with they guys there. Every week new students come but I
> was alone
> > who has been there for one full month but at the end I fail
> because they
> > just passing time with me. I have to wait for some time 2 to 3
> hours some
> > one have to come and see my lab what I have done. Some guys are
> just dont
> > know much. Frankly speaking what I have learn is Just from
> internetwork> expert lab book and understand each topic very well
> via there work book
> > only. They have awasome material. I have not attend any boot
> camp from
> > them but there book is so wonderfull that you dont required any boot
> > camp.
> >
> > Personally tell you that Please dont make people fool here by
> giving that
> > you have got one-2-one training because they dont have guys on
> that week.
> > Go into boot camp when they have 6 people and 2 instrutor. They
> dont even
> > look into you.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > J P Singh
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Gobind
> > Sent: Tue 5/8/2007 16:08
> > To: smorris@ipexpert.com; 'Anthony Bonilla'
> > Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: RE: Awesome Bootcamp
> >
> >
> >
> > Well Scott,I was just trying to tell my experience and when JP
> said that
> > it is not one-on-one and then Tony said that maybe Cyscoexpert's
> way of
> > teaching etc..would be changed now,as per Tony's line :-
> >
> > "they might have changed their approach now and it might benefit
> > newcomers"
> >
> > As I was newcomer over at Cyscoexpert I was just wanted to let
> them know
> > how was I treated and how they gave me training and what was the
> class> size,so that THEY can compare,for instance maybe at J.P.'s
> time (when he
> > got training) there would have been 5-6 students in class and
> he was not
> > getting any attention or something but I just wanted to share my
> > experience and if it is wrong to do that and if you think the
> reason I
> > said things is marketing approach and I am perogative then I am
> sorry> about that Scott and would stop reply to this thread :)
> >
> >
> > Gobind
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: smorris@ipexpert.com
> >> Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:50:17 -0400
> >> To: gobind@inbox.com, anthonybonilla.ccie@gmail.com
> >> Subject: RE: Awesome Bootcamp
> >>
> >> Not to belabor the obvious, but if IE (if both Brian's taught
> >> simultaneously) had a class consisting of only two people,
> wouldn't that
> >> be
> >> one-on-one training? Or if I had a class of one person, that
> would be
> >> as
> >> well...
> >>
> >> While it may sound nice, the question is whether or not it's a
> >> consistent
> >> scalable (marketable) approach. IMHO, it's not, it's simply a
> benefit>> achieved due to the small class size.
> >>
> >> Granted, an instructor could just as easily ignore any students
> and not
> >> give
> >> attentions like that, but that wouldn't be nice. :)
> >>
> >> Not to take anything away from how valuable your experience was
> to you,
> >> but
> >> you keep pointing it out where it's beginning to sound like a
> marketing>> approach. If it is, that's certainly your perogative,
> but others were
> >> pointing out that their experiences weren't the same, there's
> no need to
> >> reiterate yours.
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> >> JNCIE
> >> #153, CISSP, et al.
> >> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> >> IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> >> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >> smorris@ipexpert.com
> >> http://www.ipexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of
> >> Gobind
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:22 AM
> >> To: Anthony Bonilla
> >> Cc: Cisco certification
> >> Subject: Re: Awesome Bootcamp
> >>
> >> Thanks for stepping forward and sharing your views Tony,I
> completely>> agree
> >> with you,as far as I know JP got training 4 YEARS ago,and maybe now
> >> their
> >> approach and way of teaching has changed,there are also some
> students>> who
> >> took training from them and step forward to give reviews and also
> >> students
> >> who were not satisfied,maybe their approach is different
> now,well JP can
> >> u
> >> tell me why you said that their training is not one-on-one,well
> in my
> >> case
> >> as i said before there were two students(one security guy and
> was me)
> >> and
> >> I
> >> got training exclusively from Bahram whole week,isnt this known as
> >> one-on-one? or I dont know what is one-on-one [IMAGE],hehe
> >>
> >> Gobind
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: anthonybonilla.ccie@gmail.com
> >>> Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:34:19 -0500
> >>> To: gobind@inbox.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Awesome Bootcamp
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> First of all, as someone already mentioned, everyone's
> experience is
> >>> different. I was at Cyscoexpert as well for a week and heard a
> lot of
> >>> good things about them but in my opinion, it was okay at best.
> I did
> >>> not
> >> find
> >>> them that helpful and did not think that any of their training
> >> benefited
> >>> me
> >>> in any way for my lab attempt but they might have changed their
> >> approach
> >>> now
> >>> and it might benefit newcomers but for me, it was not a good
> >> experience.
> >>> Again, pls don't take it as an attack on anyone but this is my
> >>> personal experience and I wanted to share with the group
> because we
> >>> are
> >> discussing
> >>> this topic. Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Tony
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 5/6/07, Gobind <gobind@inbox.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> I just took a bootcamp at Cysco Expert,Illinois.Their really
> really>>>> tough and was one-on-one training and it really helped
> me out in
> >>>> knowing my weaknesses.They monitor your session and see how
> what you
> >>>> are solving questions and evaluate your answer line by line
> and tell
> >>>> what is wrong or a better solution to accomplish a task,at first
> >>>> their labs really
> >> threw
> >>>> me off,must say the training worth the money I paid,the
> instrcutors>> are
> >>>> double CCIE and one of the instructor is Co-Author of Cisco Press
> >>>> book "CCIE Official Exam study guide"....."Naren
> Mehta"....the person
> >>>> were really nice and make one laugh with their jokes,esp. the
> other>>>> CCIE instructor "Bahram Chaboki"......Just though I
> shoukd share my
> >>>> experience with them and I havent seen any post about the
> BootCamp>>>> given by them,I actually came to kno about them a
> long while ago on
> >>>> the article by Scott Morris "So you want to be CCIE,Part 2"
> ,also one
> >>>> of my friend
> >>>> recommended:-
> >>>>
> >>>> http://tcpmag.c <http://tcpmag.c/>
> >>>> om/features/article.asp?EditorialsID=91
> >>>>
> >>>> Well ,Countdown is still on....8 days left for my First
> >>>> attempt....(It really freaks me out when Icountdown....lol)
> >>>>
> >>>> Gobind
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
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