From: Anthony Bonilla (anthonybonilla.ccie@gmail.com)
Date: Tue May 08 2007 - 13:41:36 ART
I know enough has been said and I just wanted to add one more comment along
the lines what Jatinder just said: what I noticed when I was there for a
week is that they play mind games. Even though there was only one guy there
besides me during Monday through Friday, they both (Bahram and Naren) kept
telling me that "you are really good, man" and that way, I always felt like
I should think through my questions or do some more research before I asked
a question, that way, they got their break and did not have to spend as much
time with me. Secondly, I remember asking couple of specific questions that
I did not understand very well and the answer I got was that they were not
there to teach me from scratch, they wanted to only help me understand a
topic if I had issue with it but not teaching me something that I had no
clue about. Also, if someone is planning on going there, my advice would be
to not book Saturday or Sunday with them because there will be multiple guys
but only one instructor and that is not so called 1-on-1 as advertised by
Niren over and over on the phone to his students when I was at their
facility. Sorry for being so open on this, I have not shared my experience
with anyone until now but thought this was a good opportunity while it is
being discussed. Thanks.
On 5/8/07, jatinder.p.singh@bt.com <jatinder.p.singh@bt.com> wrote:
>
> Gobind,
>
> you have been there only for one week. I have been there for 30 days and
> 12 hours everyday. Just doing labs only and I have 12 years of networking
> experience at that time . After that Also I Fail because they never do 1-2-1
> with they guys there. Every week new students come but I was alone who has
> been there for one full month but at the end I fail because they just
> passing time with me. I have to wait for some time 2 to 3 hours some one
> have to come and see my lab what I have done. Some guys are just dont know
> much. Frankly speaking what I have learn is Just from internetwork expert
> lab book and understand each topic very well via there work book only. They
> have awasome material. I have not attend any boot camp from them but there
> book is so wonderfull that you dont required any boot camp.
>
> Personally tell you that Please dont make people fool here by giving that
> you have got one-2-one training because they dont have guys on that week. Go
> into boot camp when they have 6 people and 2 instrutor. They dont even look
> into you.
>
> Regards
>
> J P Singh
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Gobind
> Sent: Tue 5/8/2007 16:08
> To: smorris@ipexpert.com; 'Anthony Bonilla'
> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Awesome Bootcamp
>
>
>
> Well Scott,I was just trying to tell my experience and when JP said that
> it is not one-on-one and then Tony said that maybe Cyscoexpert's way of
> teaching etc..would be changed now,as per Tony's line :-
>
> "they might have changed their approach now and it might benefit
> newcomers"
>
> As I was newcomer over at Cyscoexpert I was just wanted to let them know
> how was I treated and how they gave me training and what was the class
> size,so that THEY can compare,for instance maybe at J.P.'s time (when he
> got training) there would have been 5-6 students in class and he was not
> getting any attention or something but I just wanted to share my experience
> and if it is wrong to do that and if you think the reason I said things is
> marketing approach and I am perogative then I am sorry about that Scott and
> would stop reply to this thread :)
>
>
> Gobind
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: smorris@ipexpert.com
> > Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:50:17 -0400
> > To: gobind@inbox.com, anthonybonilla.ccie@gmail.com
> > Subject: RE: Awesome Bootcamp
> >
> > Not to belabor the obvious, but if IE (if both Brian's taught
> > simultaneously) had a class consisting of only two people, wouldn't that
> > be
> > one-on-one training? Or if I had a class of one person, that would be
> as
> > well...
> >
> > While it may sound nice, the question is whether or not it's a
> consistent
> > scalable (marketable) approach. IMHO, it's not, it's simply a benefit
> > achieved due to the small class size.
> >
> > Granted, an instructor could just as easily ignore any students and not
> > give
> > attentions like that, but that wouldn't be nice. :)
> >
> > Not to take anything away from how valuable your experience was to you,
> > but
> > you keep pointing it out where it's beginning to sound like a marketing
> > approach. If it is, that's certainly your perogative, but others were
> > pointing out that their experiences weren't the same, there's no need to
> > reiterate yours.
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> JNCIE
> > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > http://www.ipexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gobind
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:22 AM
> > To: Anthony Bonilla
> > Cc: Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: Awesome Bootcamp
> >
> > Thanks for stepping forward and sharing your views Tony,I completely
> > agree
> > with you,as far as I know JP got training 4 YEARS ago,and maybe now
> their
> > approach and way of teaching has changed,there are also some students
> who
> > took training from them and step forward to give reviews and also
> > students
> > who were not satisfied,maybe their approach is different now,well JP can
> > u
> > tell me why you said that their training is not one-on-one,well in my
> > case
> > as i said before there were two students(one security guy and was me)
> and
> > I
> > got training exclusively from Bahram whole week,isnt this known as
> > one-on-one? or I dont know what is one-on-one [IMAGE],hehe
> >
> > Gobind
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: anthonybonilla.ccie@gmail.com
> >> Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:34:19 -0500
> >> To: gobind@inbox.com
> >> Subject: Re: Awesome Bootcamp
> >>
> >> All,
> >>
> >> First of all, as someone already mentioned, everyone's experience is
> >> different. I was at Cyscoexpert as well for a week and heard a lot of
> >> good things about them but in my opinion, it was okay at best. I did
> >> not
> > find
> >> them that helpful and did not think that any of their training
> > benefited
> >> me
> >> in any way for my lab attempt but they might have changed their
> > approach
> >> now
> >> and it might benefit newcomers but for me, it was not a good
> > experience.
> >> Again, pls don't take it as an attack on anyone but this is my
> >> personal experience and I wanted to share with the group because we
> >> are
> > discussing
> >> this topic. Thanks.
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/6/07, Gobind <gobind@inbox.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey Guys,
> >>>
> >>> I just took a bootcamp at Cysco Expert,Illinois.Their really really
> >>> tough and was one-on-one training and it really helped me out in
> >>> knowing my weaknesses.They monitor your session and see how what you
> >>> are solving questions and evaluate your answer line by line and tell
> >>> what is wrong or a better solution to accomplish a task,at first
> >>> their labs really
> > threw
> >>> me off,must say the training worth the money I paid,the instrcutors
> > are
> >>> double CCIE and one of the instructor is Co-Author of Cisco Press
> >>> book "CCIE Official Exam study guide"....."Naren Mehta"....the person
> >>> were really nice and make one laugh with their jokes,esp. the other
> >>> CCIE instructor "Bahram Chaboki"......Just though I shoukd share my
> >>> experience with them and I havent seen any post about the BootCamp
> >>> given by them,I actually came to kno about them a long while ago on
> >>> the article by Scott Morris "So you want to be CCIE,Part 2" ,also one
> >>> of my friend
> >>> recommended:-
> >>>
> >>> http://tcpmag.c <http://tcpmag.c/
> > om/features/article.asp?EditorialsID=91
> >>>
> >>> Well ,Countdown is still on....8 days left for my First
> >>> attempt....(It really freaks me out when Icountdown....lol)
> >>>
> >>> Gobind
> >>>
> >>>
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