From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Thu May 03 2007 - 13:20:31 ART
I'll counter your LMAO here....
There are "certain" positions that may get more training than others...
Your buddy is going for something called a PNCE (Professional Network
Consulting Engineer) where it takes people with some/limited experience and
spends some time (4 months) in order to make them better engineers in the
field.
Many companies are returning to the idea that training dollars are well
spent in getting better employees. At least as long as we don't have
employees who have this inane desire to be professional students and then
leave before the company can realize any benefit!
There are other jobs at Cisco that involve some aspect of pre-training as
well depending on where you are coming from. But for those on this list,
chances are we already fall into an "over-qualified" concept. Bear in mind
that there's a tradeoff in pay as well. If a company has to invest lots in
you before getting anything back, you'll find yourself at a lower pay-scale
than perhaps some others, at least starting out.
Be careful when taking details like that and always assuming that someone
else has something better! I do agree with you though, if you pay for all
your own training, you do get to do what you want with it and have no ties
to the company! But at the same time, that's a choice...
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
smorris@ipexpert.com
http://www.ipexpert.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Gregory Gombas
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:45 AM
To: Lab Dude
Cc: Loc Pham; Darby Weaver; jslauer@hotmail.com; Bill Mckenzie;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Isn't it too late cancel?
"unlike at many other employers where people get time off to study for CCIE,
or have unlimited training budget :) "
I just LMAO when I heard that statement. My employers have not paid for a
single training class in the last 5 years - after the dot com bust training
was one of the first perks to be cut from company budgets. Many companies
feel that on-the-job training is more than adequate. If you want training it
comes out of your pocket (and your vacation time).
On the other hand I heard Cisco employees have unlimited training (in fact a
friend of mine is applying for a position where Cisco would send him to a
bootcamp in RTP for 4 months!!!
But I'm not complaining because I feel continuing education is my own
responsibility - plus when I pass the CCIE I will not owe my company
anything or feel an ounce of guilt if I had to leave for more money.
Just my $.002
On 5/3/07, Lab Dude <ccielabdude@gmail.com> wrote:
> The only advatnage that Cisco employees have is the privilege of 3
> *free* attempts, which I think makes sense as a perk of working for
> Cisco. We suffer the same as the rest of the bunch when it comes to
> struggling with the lab, and we *do not* have any insider information.
>
> For any further attempts (i.e.4 and on-wards), Cisco employees not
> only have to pay for the lab out of their own pocket, but also for any
> expenses associated with it (airfare, hotel etc). In fact, for some
> roles at Cisco, it is mandatory to have a CCIE, unlike for others
> pursuing it where it is a 'nice to have' thing, hence it puts more
> pressure on some Cisco employees preparing for CCIE.
>
> Hardest thing as a Cisco employee is the ability to find time to study
> for CCIE, taking into account the work load, time pressure and long
> hours, unlike at many other employers where people get time off to
> study for CCIE, or have unlimited training budget :)
>
> Concluding, theres no such thing as a free lunch!
>
>
> On 5/3/07, Loc Pham <ccie17030@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Let look at another angle ,
> > How about a proctor have booked 1 day vacation and cancel it in
> > the last week ??
> > After all, we are all human ... I hope ;-)
> > lP.
> > --- Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > I did not mean to imply that they necessarily have it any easier.
> > >
> > > Remember - No conspiracy theory.
> > >
> > > But it does seem that invariably some people can jump ship within
> > > 30 days...
> > >
> > > And 4 at a time could be a coincidence...
> > >
> > > Perhaps I am mistaken.
> > >
> > > I'd just like to think if a rule applies to one of us, it might
> > > apply to all of us.
> > >
> > > If I cancel my seat, I not only forfeit my money, but being a
> > > no-show, I would have to wait 6 months to get a new date. Or at
> > > least this is what it says.
> > >
> > > I have not yet had a reason or a concern about being
> > >
> > > a no-show yet, but it could happen to any of us.
> > >
> > > I would just find it hard to think it would happen to a lot of us
> > > and at one time.
> > >
> > > I could be wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm just another hopeful...
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- jslauer@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > agreed,
> > > >
> > > > other than getting 3 free takes of the exam I can second this. I
> > > > have a bunch of NCE friends that say the same things.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Josh Lauer
> > > >
> > > > CCIE #16024
> > > > CCNA,CCDP,CCIP,CCSP,CCDP,RHCE,MCSE,CEH
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bill Mckenzie" <bmckenzie@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; < ggombas@gmail.com>;
> > > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:44 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Isn't it too late cancel?
> > > >
> > > > > Darby,
> > > > > Do you think Cisco employees studying for the
> > > CCIE
> > > > have some secret
> > > > > advantage to achieving it over anyone else? If so, I believe
> > > > > you are mistaken.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Mckenzie, CCIE#16725, CCVP Systems Engineer Cisco
> > > > > Systems, Inc.
> > > > > Phone: 614-425-2370
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>From: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > >>Reply-To: Darby Weaver < darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > >>To: Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com>,
> > > > Cisco certification
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> > > > >>Damned Cisco Employees...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>No suffering for losing a "FREE" seat...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I wonder if they get penalized by having to wait
> > > > for 6
> > > > >>months like the rest of would...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Hmmm....
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>They just re-register...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Take it as a warning sign...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Last minute droppers know something we don't...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>:) :) :)
> > > > >>
> > > > >>But no conspiracy theory here...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>--- Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Just saw 4 seats open in San Jose in May -
> > > > isn't it
> > > > >> > too late to cancel?
> > > > >> > How is that possible?
> > > > >> >
> > >
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