From: elliottreyes@adelphia.net
Date: Tue Apr 24 2007 - 17:37:46 ART
I have to agree there.
You could make 120,000 here in California and still may not qualify for a house in some areas :)
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---- Daniel_Steyn@Dell.com wrote:
> Also - take into consideration the cost of living. Working for 150,000
> in California or New York where housing costs are in the millions does
> not compare to some of the southern states paying 120,000 but where
> housing costs are in the 200,000s.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Sean C
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:45 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>
> Being exactly what Josh describes - CCIE, w/ TS clearance and working
> for a contractor living in the DC area - he's spot-on with his
> assessment. A lot of the long-term jobs around DC for contractors
> (long-term being 2+ years), will probably be a good 30%+ less then the 6
> month projects I see on Dice & Monster. But, the offshoot is you have a
> steady paycheck and don't have to re-do health-care, 401 plans, etc...
> every time you jump.
>
> One thing I didn't realize about contracting govy positions around DC, I
> know a lot of contractors that stay with the same position year after
> year, but they change contractors as their employers don't/can't win the
> re-bid.
> It makes sense - the new contractor just hires the same people - I had
> just never considered it.
>
> The challenge with the original email was that it was for a CCIE with a
> few years experience. While trying to tip-toe around any threads on a
> CCIE and what merits their 'typical' time of experience, I would hazard
> on the side of 'a few years' being on the low side of length of time of
> experience. Of course, this description could also mean a few years
> experience as a CCIE, and not mentioning length of experience pre-CCIE.
> I doubt it, but it could....
>
> My 2 cents worth,
> Sean #17085
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jslauer@hotmail.com>
> To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "Michael Zuo"
> <mzuo@ixiacom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:12 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>
>
> > your hypothesis is correct in the D.C. area, but that's if you have a
> > high-level security clearance and are willing to work for a
> contractor. If
> > you want something stable, then you wont make as much.
> >
> > Remember, the places where the salaries are high like this have a very
>
> > high cost of living.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Michael Zuo" <mzuo@ixiacom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> >
> >> Salary's vary.
> >>
> >> I've had friends in the Cali area making in the 60k+
> >> for the CCNA to CCNP level.
> >>
> >> I've had class-mates claiming up to 110k incomes at
> >> the CCNP level - of course they were earning their
> >> CCIE and were fast-tracking.
> >>
> >> So 120-130k is not unnatural, but I would venture that
> >> seasoned CCIE's are doing better in California.
> >>
> >> However, I had several counterparts at NBC and GE and
> >> I do not recall them saying (or the job postings)
> >> looking like they paid a lot more than my Southeastern
> >> wages for the same or similar job description.
> >>
> >> Same for my counterparts at 30 Rock in New York - it
> >> seems that around 90k or so was the base starting
> >> point, followed with nice raises and bonuses.
> >>
> >> Now maybe for the highest level positions but who is
> >> counting.
> >>
> >> I'm in Orlando and if one does not mind the travel the
> >> ranges I am routinely offered are in the 80-120k range
> >> +/- some form of bonus paackage for the CCNP level
> >> with experience. For the record, I have been asked to
> >> consider greater than 120k - so this is not out of the
> >> question either even for a CCNP - I'm sure the
> >> position would have easily preferred a CCIE.
> >>
> >> The travel and near-CCIE level positions are in the
> >> 110-120k + bonus range here in my neck of the woods,
> >> but for all I know the rates can get better for full
> >> CCIE's. - I would expect it, some of my current peers
> >> speak of 135k+ rates, but I have not seen this yet
> >> myself - but I am not yet a CCIE either.
> >>
> >> I've heard people in the Washington and New York areas
> >> are well paid for their services.
> >>
> >> I've heard that 200k+ in the Washington D.C./Virgina
> >> area are not uncommon.
> >>
> >> I guess it comes down to one's ability to bargain and
> >> how one present's oneself.
> >>
> >> And recall, some positions simply only pay whatever it
> >> is the company pays for the job role.
> >>
> >> I've also heard that pre-sales engineers can do quite
> >> well especially in education and government accounts.
> >>
> >> Expect that salary survey are very general in nature.
> >>
> >> I recall when they used to say I was underpaid and now
> >> it seems according to them I am overpaid.
> >>
> >> It's strange and it is a statistic.
> >>
> >> Best thing to do, is to figure out what it costs you
> >> to live, throw in whatever else you need like
> >> benefits, vacation, retirement, training, etc. and go
> >> for that number +/- however much you will need to be
> >> where you need to be financially.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> Sorry for the long and boring email.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Michael Zuo <mzuo@ixiacom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Group,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have did a little research online: it looks like
> >>> the average salary
> >>> for CCIE's in California with a few years of
> >>> experience is around 120 to
> >>> 130K range according to various surveys such as Cert
> >>> Mag. Does anyone
> >>> know how accurate are the survey numbers from
> >>> personal experience?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I apologize for being off topic, this group seems to
> >>> be the best place
> >>> to ask this question :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael Zuo
> >>>
> >>> CCIE #17800
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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