From: Usman Ali (usman198@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Apr 17 2007 - 17:14:43 ART
Hello ,
I can not understand how Indian training institutes offering guarantee
to pass CCIE in 2nd attempt and they are offering this in a pakage of
some 6000 $ , that is a Banglore base institute . I personally know 2
people who could not pass in Belgium then they go india and pass CCIE
with in 2-3 months .
Why not cisco close down that kind of centers at least 2 in Asia (India
and china).
When i compare that 6000 $ expense which is nothing !!!!!!!!!!!!with
mine which is more than 10000$ in Last 3 years and hardworking and
still i have to appear and pass CCIE.
Bye
Usman Ali
Darby Weaver wrote:
> ok 40 hours - it's the red in my eyes - ooops...
>
>
> --- Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>
>
>> "40 years of CCIE training per year"??? :) Sounds
>> like you've been
>> working too hard!
>>
>> It may seem like years, but only days go by! (grin)
>>
>> Every year or so, we always have similar
>> discussions... We're still here
>> though!
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Darby Weaver
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:54 AM
>> To: Lab Dude
>> Cc: Dan C; Usman Ali; Anthony Bonilla; CCIEwnaB;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Why not to use the "real ccie lab"
>> folks
>>
>> Why unfair to those who passed before and why are
>> they wimps?
>>
>> They had to take the lab of their day and it was a
>> challenge.
>>
>> The community as a whole has grown by leaps and
>> bounds since the first CCIE
>> till today.
>>
>> I can assure you the CCIE's who took the lab 10
>> years ago had their work cut
>> out for them then as we do now.
>>
>> We have more resources to study, but the lab has
>> gotten more interesting.
>>
>> They had no such resources at the time and if you
>> look at lab materials from
>> the past decade you might think some things
>> simplistic until you try to deal
>> with things like AppleTalk, Novell, and Vines among
>> other protocols and the
>> joys they brought to the table.
>>
>> Nope each generation has challenges.
>>
>> If the lab goes to 2 day again, 3 day or even 5 day
>> there will be those of
>> us who will pay the price to achieve the
>> certfication no matter what.
>>
>> So why even argue the point.
>>
>> Let the 5-day labs begin now.
>>
>> Cisco was considerate of the candidates then and
>> will be in the future, and
>> you wonder why the proctors no longer take the time
>> to discuss scores with
>> candidates... It was getting spooky to them and
>> they were getting fearful
>> of the emotionally distraught folks.
>>
>> The lab is tense and always will be 1 day or more.
>>
>> But hey and interview and an oral review are not
>> unheard of, nor is getting
>> a peer or a manager or the like to certify that a
>> candidate has x years of
>> experience.
>>
>> Would it really hurt to do these things? And what
>> about continuing
>> education credit of some sort.
>>
>> Networkers used to be a nice requirement and it went
>> away. Personally it or
>> an alternative such as attending at least 40 years
>> of CCIE level training
>> per year would be a minimum in my book.
>>
>> Guess there would be a lot CCIE's hating me and more
>> loving me if I ever got
>> the job.
>>
>> Value would be secured for sure and no one would
>> fear being called a paper
>> tiger or even a lab rat.
>>
>> If you got it you earned it, and if you got it, you
>> continue to earn it.
>>
>> Not much to ask from the most respected cert in the
>> industry.
>>
>> Why not set the standard?
>>
>> It's called survival, when only the strong can
>> survive.
>>
>>
>> --- Lab Dude <ccielabdude@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Whats next? Rename of CCIE to PhD certification?
>>> Pre-requisite being
>>> enrolling at a Cisco Academy for 5 years before
>>>
>> pursuing the
>>
>>> certification?
>>> If I recall correctly, there are no lab slots
>>>
>> available in the near
>>
>>> future due to 'high-demand'. Do you really think
>>>
>> Cisco has enough
>>
>>> resources to allocate for a certification?
>>>
>>> Give me a break. This is just a certification that
>>>
>> needs renewing
>>
>>> every 2 years. This is NOT a PhD dissertation. At
>>>
>> least once you get
>>
>>> the PhD degree you hold it for life, not with a 2
>>>
>> years renewal
>>
>>> condition.
>>>
>>> If Cisco was to ever adhere to the rumor, it would
>>>
>> be extremely unfair
>>
>>> to those planning to pursue in the future as many
>>>
>> wimps have already
>>
>>> passed before ;-)
>>>
>>> On 4/16/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dan,
>>>>
>>>> You know there is a rumor of a new program
>>>>
>> manager
>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> replace Maurilio and that program manager wants
>>>>
>> I multiday program
>>
>>>> (I think 5-day) and that it would involve just
>>>>
>> such an interview
>>
>>>> process on day one before a candidate would ever
>>>>
>> even be allowed to
>>
>>> see a
>>>
>>>> rack of gear. Then the candidate would have to
>>>>
>> complete each of
>>
>>>> several tracks to include all of
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> older technologies and the newer ones as well.
>>>>
>>>> Just a rumor but my own ears did hear it.
>>>>
>>>> I guess it would be a true Enterprise-Class CCIE
>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> wimps need not apply.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Dan C <cdan2154@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the idea Usman put forward by the time
>>>>>
>>> those
>>>
>>>>> guys attempt to memorise
>>>>> 100 labs they will be CCIE's ready without
>>>>>
>>> knowing
>>>
>>>>> :) Maybe another way to
>>>>> move forward is for Cisco to have a live
>>>>>
>>> interview
>>>
>>>>> before the day of the
>>>>> exam, where you may need to answer few basic
>>>>>
>> questions and prove
>>
>>>>> that you have the experience needed to move to
>>>>>
>> the next level...
>>
>>>>> who knows....
>>>>> my2cents, Dan
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/17/07, Usman Ali <usman198@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Hello all Gurus ,
>>>>>> I think it is very desperate for the people
>>>>>>
>>> who
>>>
>>>>> are doing CCIE by studying
>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> i am working on ccie from last 1 year and
>>>>>>
>> quit
>>
>>> job
>>>
>>>>> only for study and my
>>>>>
>>>>>> target to pass CCIE in three attempts , if i
>>>>>>
>> pass end of this
>>
>>>>>> year what will be the
>>>>>>
>>> market
>>>
>>>>> of ccie after 3 years
>>>>>
>>>>>> when there would be more than 50000 CCIE and
>>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>> few
>>>
>>>>> thousands with good
>>>>>
>>>>>> knowledge ,
>>>>>> it is very disappointing position is it
>>>>>>
>> better to go with IBM
>>
>>>>>> certification to
>>>>>>
>>> earn
>>>
>>>>> IBM cert you need just
>>>>>
>>>>>> a few configurations and once a redbook
>>>>>>
>> study
>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>> the technology , i
>>>>>
>>>>>> passed IBM SAN solution desinger examine 3
>>>>>>
>>> years
>>>
>>>>> before and it is more
>>>>>
>>>>>> easy than even CCNA and have a good market
>>>>>>
>>> value
>>>
>>>>> too .
>>>>>
>>>>>> can cisco make a huge data base of some 100
>>>>>>
>>> labs
>>>
>>>>> you will get one in
>>>>>
>>>>>> examine or something like this to avoid the
>>>>>>
>>> fraud
>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>> bye
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Usman Ali
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anthony Bonilla wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the same note, one of the proctors in
>>>>>>>
>> RTP
>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>>> mentioning that they
>>>>>
>>>>>> know
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that lab exams are leaking out being that
>>>>>>>
>>>>> whenever Cisco releases a new
>>>>>
>>>>>>> exam, the passing rate is real low but
>>>>>>>
>> after
>>
>>> two
>>>
>>>>> weeks or so, the
>>>>>
>>>>>> passing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rate shoots up to 90% - go figure!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When everyone in the room asked why Cisco
>>>>>>>
>>> does
>>>
>>>>> not do anything about it,
>>>>>
>>>>>> he
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> replied that they can't do anything there
>>>>>>>
>>>>> because China has no NDA or
>>>>>
>>>>>>> something to that affect. Or better yet,
>>>>>>>
>>> Cisco
>>>
>>>>> should offering this
>>>>>
>>>>>> exam in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> those countries to begin with but if this
>>>>>>>
>>>>> continues to go on and Cisco
>>>>>
>>>>>> does
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not do anything knowing all this is
>>>>>>>
>>> happening,
>>>
>>>>> you always wonder if they
>>>>>
>>>>>>> themselves are involved as well???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/15/07, Darby Weaver
>>>>>>>
>>> <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What everyone on this list in a position
>>>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>> hire
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> should do, could do, and ought to do with
>>>>>>>>
>>> every
>>>
>>>>> single
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> job candidate, CCIE notwithstanding, is
>>>>>>>>
>> set
>>
>>>>> them down
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in front of some gear and let them show
>>>>>>>>
>> you
>>
>>> how
>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> why they are the person for the job...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2-3 hours in front of gear and you know
>>>>>>>>
>>> whether
>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have a keeper or... NOT.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lots of people are passing the lab these
>>>>>>>>
>>> past
>>>
>>>>> few
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> years...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not all of them are quite qualified to
>>>>>>>>
>> work
>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> full-fledged network with "issues". I'm
>>>>>>>>
>>> sure
>>>
>>>>> most of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have worked hard and some for some years,
>>>>>>>>
>>> but a
>>>
>>>>> few
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> squeak by.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So... if everyone here and everywhere
>>>>>>>>
>> else
>>
>>>>> maintains
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> good hiring practices, then I suspect
>>>>>>>>
>> that
>>
>>> we
>>>
>>>>> will not
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have this problem of people passing the
>>>>>>>>
>> lab
>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>>> getting digits by any means necessary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not is they know that the cert alone is
>>>>>>>>
>> not
>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>> rubber
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> stamp to a CCIE-Level position.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However with a quick romp to the job
>>>>>>>>
>> boards
>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>> seeing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> postings like:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CCNA required and CCIE desired... with
>>>>>>>>
>> MCSE
>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>>> CNE or
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unix experience and oh yes, we want the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> candidate to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> install MS SQL or MS Exchange or even
>>>>>>>>
>>> handle
>>>
>>>>> desktop
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> support issues and Symantec AV etc...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm... What is the point...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also be careful to apply to jobs that are
>>>>>>>>
>>> of a
>>>
>>>>> CCIE
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> caliber as well - once you get the grail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =====================================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One more thing, did anyone ever consider
>>>>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>> maybe,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just maybe, Cisco is the one putting out
>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>> "real
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CCIE Labs" and if they are I suppose the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> proctors have
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a lot of fun watching things not quite
>>>>>>>>
>> work
>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>>>>>> candidates whenever they pass through...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> little but not quite a lot...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is kind of sadistic... Especially
>>>>>>>>
>>> since
>>>
>>>>> they may
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> even have the names of the buyers...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey - how many people come report back on
>>>>>>>>
>>> GS
>>>
>>>>> and say
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they cannot figure out what went wrong...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hah!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Close but no cigar...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- CCIEwnaB <cciewnab@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK smart peeps,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a friend who is currently working
>>>>>>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>>> her
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CCNP, and keeps giving me a
>>>>>>>>> hard time for not having passed the lab
>>>>>>>>>
>>> yet (1
>>>
>>>>>>>>> failed attempt under my belt) but I'm
>>>>>>>>>
>> still hitting it hard
>>
>>>>>>>>> and will be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> going back
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in another 2 moths.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, she's convinced that when she
>>>>>>>>>
>>> finishes
>>>
>>>>> her
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> last NP test she'll just
>>>>>>>>> pay the $1200 to the folks who shall
>>>>>>>>>
>>> remian
>>>
>>>>> nameless
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and study the "3 real
>>>>>>>>> CCIE labs" and pass on the first
>>>>>>>>>
>> attempt."
>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>> agree
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with what's been said
>>>>>>>>> here so many times before, that the cert
>>>>>>>>>
>>> only
>>>
>>>>> means
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> something if you truly
>>>>>>>>> are an expert and have earned it. So
>>>>>>>>>
>> let's
>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>>> get
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> everyone all wound up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That being said, does anyone have a few
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> stories I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can share with her, that
>>>>>>>>> might be helpfull in keeping her on the
>>>>>>>>>
>>> "HIGH
>>>
>>>>> ROAD".
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I keep trying to tell
>>>>>>>>> her, she's going to pay $1200 for a
>>>>>>>>>
>> couple
>>
>>>>> useless
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> old files and then what,
>>>>>>>>> go to the proctor on test day and say,
>>>>>>>>>
>> hey
>>
>>>>> this
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> isn't the test I was
>>>>>>>>> expecting you must have made a mistake?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are other folks here who
>>>>>>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>>> fallen
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for it, please share
>>>>>>>>> your experiences so my friend will see
>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>> light and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not surrender to the
>>>>>>>>> dark side...she knows who she is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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