From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Apr 16 2007 - 15:47:53 ART
MS charges more for the MS Architect Program.
--- Paul Dardinski <pauld@marshallcomm.com> wrote:
> And the lab will cost $10k.......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:34 AM
> To: Dan C; Usman Ali
> Cc: Anthony Bonilla; Darby Weaver; CCIEwnaB;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Why not to use the "real ccie lab"
> folks
>
> Dan,
>
> You know there is a rumor of a new program manager
> to
> replace Maurilio and that program manager wants I
> multiday program (I think 5-day) and that it would
> involve just such an interview process on day one
> before a candidate would ever even be allowed to see
> a
> rack of gear. Then the candidate would have to
> complete each of several tracks to include all of
> the
> older technologies and the newer ones as well.
>
> Just a rumor but my own ears did hear it.
>
> I guess it would be a true Enterprise-Class CCIE and
> wimps need not apply.
>
>
> --- Dan C <cdan2154@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I like the idea Usman put forward by the time
> those
> > guys attempt to memorise
> > 100 labs they will be CCIE's ready without knowing
> > :) Maybe another way to
> > move forward is for Cisco to have a live interview
> > before the day of the
> > exam, where you may need to answer few basic
> > questions and prove that you
> > have the experience needed to move to the next
> > level... who knows....
> > my2cents, Dan
> >
> > On 4/17/07, Usman Ali <usman198@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all Gurus ,
> > > I think it is very desperate for the people who
> > are doing CCIE by studying
> > > .
> > > i am working on ccie from last 1 year and quit
> job
> > only for study and my
> > > target to pass CCIE in three attempts ,
> > > if i pass end of this year what will be the
> market
> > of ccie after 3 years
> > > when there would be more than 50000 CCIE and a
> few
> > thousands with good
> > > knowledge ,
> > > it is very disappointing position
> > > is it better to go with IBM certification to
> earn
> > IBM cert you need just
> > > a few configurations and once a redbook study of
> > the technology , i
> > > passed IBM SAN solution desinger examine 3 years
> > before and it is more
> > > easy than even CCNA and have a good market
> value
> > too .
> > > can cisco make a huge data base of some 100 labs
> > you will get one in
> > > examine or something like this to avoid the
> fraud
> > .
> > >
> > > bye
> > >
> > > Usman Ali
> > >
> > > Anthony Bonilla wrote:
> > > > On the same note, one of the proctors in RTP
> was
> > mentioning that they
> > > know
> > > > that lab exams are leaking out being that
> > whenever Cisco releases a new
> > > > exam, the passing rate is real low but after
> two
> > weeks or so, the
> > > passing
> > > > rate shoots up to 90% - go figure!
> > > >
> > > > When everyone in the room asked why Cisco does
> > not do anything about it,
> > > he
> > > > replied that they can't do anything there
> > because China has no NDA or
> > > > something to that affect. Or better yet,
> Cisco
> > should offering this
> > > exam in
> > > > those countries to begin with but if this
> > continues to go on and Cisco
> > > does
> > > > not do anything knowing all this is happening,
> > you always wonder if they
> > > > themselves are involved as well???
> > > >
> > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/15/07, Darby Weaver
> <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> What everyone on this list in a position to
> > hire
> > > >> should do, could do, and ought to do with
> every
> > single
> > > >> job candidate, CCIE notwithstanding, is set
> > them down
> > > >> in front of some gear and let them show you
> how
> > and
> > > >> why they are the person for the job...
> > > >>
> > > >> 2-3 hours in front of gear and you know
> whether
> > you
> > > >> have a keeper or... NOT.
> > > >>
> > > >> Lots of people are passing the lab these past
> > few
> > > >> years...
> > > >>
> > > >> Not all of them are quite qualified to work
> on
> > a
> > > >> full-fledged network with "issues". I'm sure
> > most of
> > > >> have worked hard and some for some years, but
> a
> > few
> > > >> squeak by.
> > > >>
> > > >> So... if everyone here and everywhere else
> > maintains
> > > >> good hiring practices, then I suspect that we
> > will not
> > > >> have this problem of people passing the lab
> and
> > > >> getting digits by any means necessary.
> > > >>
> > > >> Not is they know that the cert alone is not a
> > rubber
> > > >> stamp to a CCIE-Level position.
> > > >>
> > > >> However with a quick romp to the job boards
> and
> > seeing
> > > >> postings like:
> > > >>
> > > >> CCNA required and CCIE desired... with MCSE
> or
> > CNE or
> > > >> Unix experience and oh yes, we want the
> > candidate to
> > > >> install MS SQL or MS Exchange or even handle
> > desktop
> > > >> support issues and Symantec AV etc...
> > > >>
> > > >> Hmmm... What is the point...
> > > >>
> > > >> Also be careful to apply to jobs that are of
> a
> > CCIE
> > > >> caliber as well - once you get the grail.
> > > >>
> > > >> =====================================
> > > >>
> > > >> One more thing, did anyone ever consider that
> > maybe,
> > > >> just maybe, Cisco is the one putting out the
> > "real
> > > >> CCIE Labs" and if they are I suppose the
> > proctors have
> > > >> a lot of fun watching things not quite work
> for
> > > >> candidates whenever they pass through...
> > Here's a
> > > >> little but not quite a lot...
> > > >>
> > > >> That is kind of sadistic... Especially since
> > they may
> > > >> even have the names of the buyers...
> > > >>
> > > >> Hey - how many people come report back on GS
> > and say
> > > >> they cannot figure out what went wrong...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Hah!
> > > >>
> > > >> LOL
> > > >>
> > > >> Hmmm...
> > > >>
> > > >> Close but no cigar...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- CCIEwnaB <cciewnab@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> OK smart peeps,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I have a friend who is currently working on
> > her
> > > >>> CCNP, and keeps giving me a
> > > >>> hard time for not having passed the lab yet
> (1
> > > >>> failed attempt under my belt)
> > > >>> but I'm still hitting it hard and will be
> > going back
> > > >>> in another 2 moths.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Anyway, she's convinced that when she
> finishes
> > her
> > > >>> last NP test she'll just
> > > >>> pay the $1200 to the folks who shall remian
> > nameless
> > > >>> and study the "3 real
> > > >>> CCIE labs" and pass on the first attempt." I
> > agree
> > > >>> with what's been said
> > > >>> here so many times before, that the cert
> only
> > means
> > > >>> something if you truly
> > > >>> are an expert and have earned it. So let's
> not
> > get
> > > >>> everyone all wound up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> That being said, does anyone have a few
> > stories I
> > > >>> can share with her, that
> > > >>> might be helpfull in keeping her on the
> "HIGH
> > ROAD".
> > > >>> I keep trying to tell
> > > >>> her, she's going to pay $1200 for a couple
> > useless
> > > >>> old files and then what,
> > > >>> go to the proctor on test day and say, hey
> > this
> > > >>> isn't the test I was
> > > >>> expecting you must have made a mistake?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm sure there are other folks here who have
> > fallen
> > > >>> for it, please share
> > > >>> your experiences so my friend will see the
> > light and
> > > >>> not surrender to the
> > > >>> dark side...she knows who she is
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> >
>
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