From: Paul Dardinski (pauld@marshallcomm.com)
Date: Mon Apr 16 2007 - 13:40:58 ART
And the lab will cost $10k.......
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:34 AM
To: Dan C; Usman Ali
Cc: Anthony Bonilla; Darby Weaver; CCIEwnaB; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Why not to use the "real ccie lab" folks
Dan,
You know there is a rumor of a new program manager to
replace Maurilio and that program manager wants I
multiday program (I think 5-day) and that it would
involve just such an interview process on day one
before a candidate would ever even be allowed to see a
rack of gear. Then the candidate would have to
complete each of several tracks to include all of the
older technologies and the newer ones as well.
Just a rumor but my own ears did hear it.
I guess it would be a true Enterprise-Class CCIE and
wimps need not apply.
--- Dan C <cdan2154@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I like the idea Usman put forward by the time those
> guys attempt to memorise
> 100 labs they will be CCIE's ready without knowing
> :) Maybe another way to
> move forward is for Cisco to have a live interview
> before the day of the
> exam, where you may need to answer few basic
> questions and prove that you
> have the experience needed to move to the next
> level... who knows....
> my2cents, Dan
>
> On 4/17/07, Usman Ali <usman198@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all Gurus ,
> > I think it is very desperate for the people who
> are doing CCIE by studying
> > .
> > i am working on ccie from last 1 year and quit job
> only for study and my
> > target to pass CCIE in three attempts ,
> > if i pass end of this year what will be the market
> of ccie after 3 years
> > when there would be more than 50000 CCIE and a few
> thousands with good
> > knowledge ,
> > it is very disappointing position
> > is it better to go with IBM certification to earn
> IBM cert you need just
> > a few configurations and once a redbook study of
> the technology , i
> > passed IBM SAN solution desinger examine 3 years
> before and it is more
> > easy than even CCNA and have a good market value
> too .
> > can cisco make a huge data base of some 100 labs
> you will get one in
> > examine or something like this to avoid the fraud
> .
> >
> > bye
> >
> > Usman Ali
> >
> > Anthony Bonilla wrote:
> > > On the same note, one of the proctors in RTP was
> mentioning that they
> > know
> > > that lab exams are leaking out being that
> whenever Cisco releases a new
> > > exam, the passing rate is real low but after two
> weeks or so, the
> > passing
> > > rate shoots up to 90% - go figure!
> > >
> > > When everyone in the room asked why Cisco does
> not do anything about it,
> > he
> > > replied that they can't do anything there
> because China has no NDA or
> > > something to that affect. Or better yet, Cisco
> should offering this
> > exam in
> > > those countries to begin with but if this
> continues to go on and Cisco
> > does
> > > not do anything knowing all this is happening,
> you always wonder if they
> > > themselves are involved as well???
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/15/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> What everyone on this list in a position to
> hire
> > >> should do, could do, and ought to do with every
> single
> > >> job candidate, CCIE notwithstanding, is set
> them down
> > >> in front of some gear and let them show you how
> and
> > >> why they are the person for the job...
> > >>
> > >> 2-3 hours in front of gear and you know whether
> you
> > >> have a keeper or... NOT.
> > >>
> > >> Lots of people are passing the lab these past
> few
> > >> years...
> > >>
> > >> Not all of them are quite qualified to work on
> a
> > >> full-fledged network with "issues". I'm sure
> most of
> > >> have worked hard and some for some years, but a
> few
> > >> squeak by.
> > >>
> > >> So... if everyone here and everywhere else
> maintains
> > >> good hiring practices, then I suspect that we
> will not
> > >> have this problem of people passing the lab and
> > >> getting digits by any means necessary.
> > >>
> > >> Not is they know that the cert alone is not a
> rubber
> > >> stamp to a CCIE-Level position.
> > >>
> > >> However with a quick romp to the job boards and
> seeing
> > >> postings like:
> > >>
> > >> CCNA required and CCIE desired... with MCSE or
> CNE or
> > >> Unix experience and oh yes, we want the
> candidate to
> > >> install MS SQL or MS Exchange or even handle
> desktop
> > >> support issues and Symantec AV etc...
> > >>
> > >> Hmmm... What is the point...
> > >>
> > >> Also be careful to apply to jobs that are of a
> CCIE
> > >> caliber as well - once you get the grail.
> > >>
> > >> =====================================
> > >>
> > >> One more thing, did anyone ever consider that
> maybe,
> > >> just maybe, Cisco is the one putting out the
> "real
> > >> CCIE Labs" and if they are I suppose the
> proctors have
> > >> a lot of fun watching things not quite work for
> > >> candidates whenever they pass through...
> Here's a
> > >> little but not quite a lot...
> > >>
> > >> That is kind of sadistic... Especially since
> they may
> > >> even have the names of the buyers...
> > >>
> > >> Hey - how many people come report back on GS
> and say
> > >> they cannot figure out what went wrong...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hah!
> > >>
> > >> LOL
> > >>
> > >> Hmmm...
> > >>
> > >> Close but no cigar...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- CCIEwnaB <cciewnab@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> OK smart peeps,
> > >>>
> > >>> I have a friend who is currently working on
> her
> > >>> CCNP, and keeps giving me a
> > >>> hard time for not having passed the lab yet (1
> > >>> failed attempt under my belt)
> > >>> but I'm still hitting it hard and will be
> going back
> > >>> in another 2 moths.
> > >>>
> > >>> Anyway, she's convinced that when she finishes
> her
> > >>> last NP test she'll just
> > >>> pay the $1200 to the folks who shall remian
> nameless
> > >>> and study the "3 real
> > >>> CCIE labs" and pass on the first attempt." I
> agree
> > >>> with what's been said
> > >>> here so many times before, that the cert only
> means
> > >>> something if you truly
> > >>> are an expert and have earned it. So let's not
> get
> > >>> everyone all wound up.
> > >>>
> > >>> That being said, does anyone have a few
> stories I
> > >>> can share with her, that
> > >>> might be helpfull in keeping her on the "HIGH
> ROAD".
> > >>> I keep trying to tell
> > >>> her, she's going to pay $1200 for a couple
> useless
> > >>> old files and then what,
> > >>> go to the proctor on test day and say, hey
> this
> > >>> isn't the test I was
> > >>> expecting you must have made a mistake?
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm sure there are other folks here who have
> fallen
> > >>> for it, please share
> > >>> your experiences so my friend will see the
> light and
> > >>> not surrender to the
> > >>> dark side...she knows who she is
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
>
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