From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Mar 22 2007 - 20:28:33 ART
Hey my grandma did the R&S and Security in one day, she was going from one
rack to another and she passed both.
On 3/22/07, Andrew Larkins <andrew.larkins@btgroup.co.za> wrote:
>
> Hi Hiriam,
>
> Now this is interesting. First of all I wish you GOOD luck...if you can
> pull this one off then maybe you should go for the winning lotto numbers
> as well:) I am trying to be supportive here, but I think you need to
> speak to a few more people in the area before making a lot of statements
> such as you have.
>
> I somehow don't think you have grasped the nature of the exam and the
> value of the cert. If you have been actively working with the hardware
> for a long period of time, then I feel that the 30 day window period
> could be achievable. If you have no experience then this is going to be
> a very rude awakening for you....
>
> I don't think you can compare MCSE to this track at all....I can also
> study 2-4 hours without a break, but then that is not enough for a cert
> of this level. Try 9 months solid work and study around 8 hours a day
> minimum and then you should have a beginning only. On top of that is the
> actual months of hands on and troubleshooting.
>
> You mention " Is it necessary to know the subnets other than a
> 255.255.255.0?" - This is again not something you can just spot for as
> you can with the numerous "resources" for the MCSE. Do you know how to
> subnet and work in binary?
>
> Your statement about logging into the router and seeing a DOS prompt and
> it being a "big mistake for them" clearly indicates to me that you have
> absolutely no experience in this arena at all. In the lab I really doubt
> you would be able to do all the advanced configuration from the web
> browser and troubleshoot this at all without a keen, solid knowledge of
> the apparently legacy CLI and most importantly - in the time frame
> allowed.. Windows is more of a pain in the %>@@ - my opinion...
>
> As for open book exam - as you mentioned it - again - you are in for a
> really rude awakening. I doubt you have ever known everything about your
> MS only systems. Being a CCIE is not about knowing all the answers
> (thanks Scott Morris for that one from the audio boot camp - hopefully
> no copyright..:)) but rather where to look to put you in the right
> direction. If you can remember everything, then well done. There is no
> web access just a doc cd without a search function. Try finding stuff
> there without knowing how Cisco group technologies and principles. I
> think you would need a minimum of 3 months to learn about the doc cd
> alone - if that is the only thing you do for that time.....
>
> The fact that you rely on web browser is bothering...yes there are times
> when it can help, but you can not get into raw debugs and troubleshoot
> with a web browser:)
>
> Take a sample lab from somewhere on the internet and try that and then
> let us know how it went....enforce a time limit on your self as well. A
> single router to study with is not enough...how can you get a
> functioning BGP network, with QoS and frame relay etc working on one
> device....
>
> Nothing personal here - but you need a reality check I think.....
>
> Good luck with your studies....the clock is ticking.....
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On 3/22/07, Hiriam Masheed Nuwalla MCSE+I <gs@dfwmall.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > I just complete my MCSE+I and now I have need for CCIE. I have joined
> > group because I must have CCIE in 30 days, maybe I can wait for 45
> > days, but no longer. I want to finish before May starts, for I have
> > futbol league to play in then. If I get the CCIE in 30 days, then
> > maybe I try for a second in the next 15 days. I need to get CCIE so I
> > can make a bigger money. I hear this is a good group for to join.
> >
> > The MCSE have many more tests so I think CCIE may not be as difficult
> > as I hear. One day I pass two exams, one right after another for the
> > MCSE. This is also "Expert" level certification, just like CCIE. Some
> > people may not know this, but a Windows server can be setup like a
> > router. I have done this many times. I have very high IQ and can study
>
> > sometimes 2 - 4 hours without a break.
> >
> > I see a question about a subnet mask. Is it necessary to know the
> > subnets other than a 255.255.255.0? I have set these networks up many
> > times, and am almost an expert with them. One time there were 4 of
> > these networks all working through a windows box, and I did this in
> > less than 2 hours, and this include time it take to reboot servers.
> >
> > I have bought a router on ebay for to help study with. I want to use
> > web browser for to configure this router, but I cannot seem to get it
> > to come up.
> > I use the telnet program (From a Windows Server :) to log into this
> > router but all there is a command line. It look almost like an old DOS
>
> > program. I hope Cisco does not still emulate DOS when Windows has been
>
> > around many years.
> > This
> > could a big mistake for them.
> >
> > If anyone need help on setting routers, let me know. I will be willing
>
> > to help. Also, it seems Cisco allow test taker to look at website
> > during CCIE exam. In the MCSE program there is no help available. You
> > must not look at any material while taking exam. I think it should be
> > fun to have a book open exam.
> >
> > Do you think I should get a Voice CCIE, or a Security CCIE for the
> > second CCIE I get. I am not familiar with the differences between
> > them? I did recently set up Security for Microsoft Vista, so maybe
> > Security should be the way to go.
> >
> > Also I want to say to Darby. You seem like a nice man (i hope you are
> > man, not woman. if so i apologize). You should try for to relax a
> > little more and take care of your health. If you can't get CCIE this
> > week, you will be able to get it next week. I know sometimes you get
> > in a hurry, but your health is more important than passing exam this
> > week. Just make up study on the weekend and take exam the following
> > week. You should trust yourself more and not spend so much money on
> > instructions. Do you have relationship with your instructor?
> > You
> > seem very close.
> >
> > One more question. What does HTH mean?
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Hiriam
> >
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 Network Learning, Inc. (CCIE class Instructor) www.ccbootcamp.com (CCIE Training)
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