From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Mar 19 2007 - 09:07:35 ART
I have those credentials and work in the "poorly paid
South" and it seems that my offers were generally
around the 85-110k + bonus of about 15% on average
All benefits and Holidays with 2-3 weeks vacation is
typical (Employer pays my health and I pay for
family).
Mind you many positions allowed for working from home
or a great amount of "flex-time". A double-edged
sword for workaholics like me... and probably you,
too...
The average work week is about 50-60 hours and I think
it is a solid 55 hours no matter what.
--- Haloween Boy <ciscob20@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks so much for the information. May I know how
> much is the averae
> billing rate for a CCNP+CCDP+CCSP certified guy with
> 7yrs of experience?
>
> I know hard to predict but would like to know so
> that I don't fall into
> wrong hands.
>
> I got a call from some unknown consultant who was
> telling me some salary
> sharing of 60:40 with no medical benefits and I was
> zapped to how much they
> are earning by placing me.
>
> Please suggest & enlighten me on this.
>
> Regards,
> S B
>
>
> On 3/19/07, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> >
> > That's a very good point. And one where I've
> always been amused with the
> > "CCNA required, CCIE preferred." All ya want to
> say is "duhhhh..." :)
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel_Steyn@Dell.com
> [mailto:Daniel_Steyn@Dell.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:21 PM
> > To: swm@emanon.com; emad_fahmi123@yahoo.com;
> darbyweaver@yahoo.com;
> > iyux2000@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Salary - For people taking
> H1-B's - Listen carefully.
> >
> > I think that many companies do not know how to
> recruit technical people,
> > which is part of this problem. I don't think that
> they specifically want
> > to
> > hire CCIEs and pay them 30 Gs to screw them over -
> I think that it is more
> > of a recruiting error and not knowing any better.
> Let me explain...
> >
> > I believe that at the top of every non-technical
> company are non-technical
> > people making decisions. Take a shoe store for
> example.
> > All that a shoe store owner has to know is how to
> manufacture/sell shoes
> > and
> > do a good job with it. At some point, will he
> need a network?
> > Absolutely! How does this man go about hiring a
> lead network engineer?
> > He could go to a staffing firm (which is probably
> the best idea as he
> > doesn't know what is involved) or he could go and
> search monster for
> > "network engineer" and see that people are looking
> for CCNAs, CCNPs and
> > CCIEs. This is probably why there are postings on
> monster and dice today
> > saying "CCNA or CCIE preferred" and paying 30Gs.
> I think that this is
> > because the recruiter has no idea what is actually
> involved to get these
> > certifications - but knows that others want people
> with those skills. I'm
> > sure that you have all seen those out there. Any
> posting asking for a CCIE
> > or a CCNA obviously has some bigger issues to deal
> with - so don't bother
> > applying for those!
> >
> > Also, how does a non-technical person go about
> hiring a networking
> > director?
> > If you are the best man for the job but only list
> that you have expert
> > understanding in BGP, OSPF, EIGRP, NAT, etc. -
> this is Greek to the
> > recruiter. All that the person hiring wants to
> know is that you know
> > "networks". You can be the best engineer in the
> world - but if you don't
> > know how to communicate with non-technical people
> (including
> > recruiters) - your career opportunities will be
> limited. Maybe this is
> > also
> > why the CCIE is known for its ambiguous questions.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Scott Morris
> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:31 AM
> > To: 'emad fahmi'; 'Darby Weaver';
> iyux2000@gmail.com;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Salary - For people taking
> H1-B's - Listen carefully.
> >
> > I think that would be up to the company who
> happens to be hiring, and
> > you'd
> > probably start hitting the major job boards like
> monster, careerbuilder,
> > dice, etc.
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: emad fahmi [mailto:emad_fahmi123@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:58 AM
> > To: Scott Morris; 'Darby Weaver';
> iyux2000@gmail.com;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Salary - For people taking
> H1-B's - Listen carefully.
> >
> >
> > can anyone tell names for agencies specified for
> giving H1B for CCIEs
> > Thanks
> >
> > Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not to dispute (or debate) many of the things that
> you state in here,
> > however.... If you have your 250-500K house and
> multiple 40-80K cars and
> > have children in the best schools, perhaps this is
> why, even at $100K,
> > many
> > people cannot afford to take vacations.
> >
> > There is a difference between working to live, and
> living to work. Not
> > only
> > should you work on salaries in line with other
> comparable professionals
> > (there are plenty of surveys to cite), but you
> should temper how much of
> > that "American Dream" you try to bite off all at
> once.
> >
> > Too many Americans have that "American Delusion"
> going on. Drowning is
> > debt
> > is not the dream, but often the reality for those
> who overextend.
> >
> > Just my two cents....
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:34 AM
> > To: iyux2000@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary - For people taking
> H1-B's - Listen carefully.
> >
> > If you are non-U.S. citizen and you get your CCIE
> and want to work in the
> > U.S...
> >
> > Listen up and listen well.
> >
> > About the average U.S. salary for a CCIE is around
> $115,000.00 U.S.
> >
> > What does this mean to you?
> >
> > It means that some U.S. companies may try to lure
> you here for say less
> > than
> > $50,000.00 U.S. and take a bit of advantage of the
> fact you want to work
> > in
> > the U.S.
> >
> > My advice: Turn them down... Cold.
> >
> > Here's why:
> >
> > Any U.S. company that wants to hire you based on
> your CCIE status is going
> > to profit greatly from hiring you.
> >
> > Now, there literally about 1000 companies looking
> for CCIE talent every
> > single day - no matter how many pass the lab that
> day...
> >
> > Supply and Demand.
> >
> > My advice - learn to negotiate. Let them give you
> a number.
> >
> > If it is under $100,000.00 U.S. - they did not
> want you anyway and if they
> > did you may find later it was probably better you
> waited just a bit longer
> > you could have doubled or tripled your salary.
> >
> > Sound outrageous?
> >
> > Go to www.monster.com and www.dice.com put your
> resume online and wait...
> >
> > Won't take long...
> >
> > If fact put it up before you get your CCIE, you
> may be amazed at the
> > opportunities that are presented to you even at
> the CCNP level.
> >
> > Mention your lab experience (even if you fail) on
> your C.V.
> >
> > Make the American Dream work for you too...
> >
> > This also applies to your friends in I.T who are
> DBA's and other I.T.
> > Professional.
> >
> > Once you take the job you will be slaving away
> like the rest of us and
> > your
> > stress level will improve since you will be able
> to afford a $200-500,
> > 000.00
> > home or even better, you will be able to afford a
> couple of nice
> > $40-80,000.00 cars and your children will be able
> to attend the best
> > schools
> > in your city of choice.
> >
> > I promise you will hate yourself every single day
> that you go to work with
> > your CCIE certification, knowing that the CCNA who
> just got out of the
> > Cisco
> > Academy is making more than you are and is driving
> a better car while you
> > are walking to work from the closest apartment
> complex.
> >
> > So learn to negotiate, - I feel so strongly about
> this matter, I will
> > negotiate for you or give you personal tips if you
> like.
> >
> > No more free lunches for companies - an H-1B only
> costs a few thousand
> > dollars to obtain...
> >
> > Hey, even if you take a 30k salary and double it
> to 60k you win and they
> > still got you at 1/2 the price - so they win...
> (Still you are being
> > robbed).
> >
> > We call this a WIN/WIN in the U.S. Corporte
> Environment and you can still
> > afford to eat at McDonald's for lunch at least.
> >
> > Which when you get here - you may notice that your
> H.R people may never
> > eat
> > at McD's... and your co-workers in I.T. seem to
> avoid like the plague...
> >
> > Which by the way... also kills your ability to
> fraternize with your
> > co-workers - they think you are avoiding them, the
> truth is they spend
> > more
> > on lunch than you spend on bus fare... to get to
> work.
> >
> >
> > Now the rub - if a company turns you down, you
> will be surprised at how
> > quickly the next one makes a play for you.
> >
> > It is the United States and we have literally
> thousands of companies.
> >
> > In the end, you will have to do what is best for
> you and your family.
> >
> > However, if you take a minimum wage CCIE job...
> you will likely have to
> > wait
> > for maybe 2 years or more to move your family here
> while you wait in the
> > H-1B to get approved and finalized...
> >
> > All the while, you are missing your wife or
> husband and your kids are
> > growing up barely seeing their daddy or mommy.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong you can fly to see them (at
> least say $700-1000.00 or
> > more for a flight) but now this continues to drain
> your salary further...
> >
> > And did anyone tell you about "Uncle Sam" and
> local state taxes and Sales
> > and Use Taxes during the interview - never mind
> withholding for Social
> > Security and FICA...
> >
> > Yep - your 30k - just got raped and diminished
> about $10k at least...
> > and
> > if you have to start using credit cards or buy
> that car - you are going to
> > pay interest as well...
> >
> > My wife (Venezuela) tells me all the time how
> people in her country - even
> > the lowest paid workers can afford quality health
> care and vacations...
> >
> > Many people in the U.S. with under $30k salaries
> go without healthcare -
> > they need the cash to get by.
> >
> > Many people in the U.S. with $100K+ salaries do
> not take vacation and some
> > companies seem to even frown on it... others
> require you take it.
> >
> > Choose wisely.
> >
> > OK - I just was talking with another friend of
> mine who is getting / got
> > raped and is alive to tell the tale...
> >
> > So...
> >
> > Learn to negotiate - it may be worth more than a
> handful of tech certs and
> > a
> > Master's in Technology combined...
> >
> >
>
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