From: emad fahmi (emad_fahmi123@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Mar 18 2007 - 07:58:19 ART
can anyone tell names for agencies specified for giving H1B for CCIEs
Thanks
Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
Not to dispute (or debate) many of the things that you state in here,
however.... If you have your 250-500K house and multiple 40-80K cars and
have children in the best schools, perhaps this is why, even at $100K, many
people cannot afford to take vacations.
There is a difference between working to live, and living to work. Not only
should you work on salaries in line with other comparable professionals
(there are plenty of surveys to cite), but you should temper how much of
that "American Dream" you try to bite off all at once.
Too many Americans have that "American Delusion" going on. Drowning is debt
is not the dream, but often the reality for those who overextend.
Just my two cents....
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
smorris@ipexpert.com
http://www.ipexpert.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:34 AM
To: iyux2000@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: OT: CCIE Salary - For people taking H1-B's - Listen carefully.
If you are non-U.S. citizen and you get your CCIE and want to work in the
U.S...
Listen up and listen well.
About the average U.S. salary for a CCIE is around $115,000.00 U.S.
What does this mean to you?
It means that some U.S. companies may try to lure you here for say less than
$50,000.00 U.S. and take a bit of advantage of the fact you want to work in
the U.S.
My advice: Turn them down... Cold.
Here's why:
Any U.S. company that wants to hire you based on your CCIE status is going
to profit greatly from hiring you.
Now, there literally about 1000 companies looking for CCIE talent every
single day - no matter how many pass the lab that day...
Supply and Demand.
My advice - learn to negotiate. Let them give you a number.
If it is under $100,000.00 U.S. - they did not want you anyway and if they
did you may find later it was probably better you waited just a bit longer
you could have doubled or tripled your salary.
Sound outrageous?
Go to www.monster.com and www.dice.com put your resume online and wait...
Won't take long...
If fact put it up before you get your CCIE, you may be amazed at the
opportunities that are presented to you even at the CCNP level.
Mention your lab experience (even if you fail) on your C.V.
Make the American Dream work for you too...
This also applies to your friends in I.T who are DBA's and other I.T.
Professional.
Once you take the job you will be slaving away like the rest of us and your
stress level will improve since you will be able to afford a $200-500,000.00
home or even better, you will be able to afford a couple of nice
$40-80,000.00 cars and your children will be able to attend the best schools
in your city of choice.
I promise you will hate yourself every single day that you go to work with
your CCIE certification, knowing that the CCNA who just got out of the Cisco
Academy is making more than you are and is driving a better car while you
are walking to work from the closest apartment complex.
So learn to negotiate, - I feel so strongly about this matter, I will
negotiate for you or give you personal tips if you like.
No more free lunches for companies - an H-1B only costs a few thousand
dollars to obtain...
Hey, even if you take a 30k salary and double it to 60k you win and they
still got you at 1/2 the price - so they win... (Still you are being
robbed).
We call this a WIN/WIN in the U.S. Corporte Environment and you can still
afford to eat at McDonald's for lunch at least.
Which when you get here - you may notice that your H.R people may never eat
at McD's... and your co-workers in I.T. seem to avoid like the plague...
Which by the way... also kills your ability to fraternize with your
co-workers - they think you are avoiding them, the truth is they spend more
on lunch than you spend on bus fare... to get to work.
Now the rub - if a company turns you down, you will be surprised at how
quickly the next one makes a play for you.
It is the United States and we have literally thousands of companies.
In the end, you will have to do what is best for you and your family.
However, if you take a minimum wage CCIE job... you will likely have to
wait for maybe 2 years or more to move your family here while you wait in
the H-1B to get approved and finalized...
All the while, you are missing your wife or husband and your kids are
growing up barely seeing their daddy or mommy.
Don't get me wrong you can fly to see them (at least say $700-1000.00 or
more for a flight) but now this continues to drain your salary further...
And did anyone tell you about "Uncle Sam" and local state taxes and Sales
and Use Taxes during the interview - never mind withholding for Social
Security and FICA...
Yep - your 30k - just got raped and diminished about $10k at least... and
if you have to start using credit cards or buy that car - you are going to
pay interest as well...
My wife (Venezuela) tells me all the time how people in her country - even
the lowest paid workers can afford quality health care and vacations...
Many people in the U.S. with under $30k salaries go without healthcare -
they need the cash to get by.
Many people in the U.S. with $100K+ salaries do not take vacation and some
companies seem to even frown on it... others require you take it.
Choose wisely.
OK - I just was talking with another friend of mine who is getting / got
raped and is alive to tell the tale...
So...
Learn to negotiate - it may be worth more than a handful of tech certs and a
Master's in Technology combined...
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