From: anthony.sequeira@thomson.com
Date: Thu Feb 22 2007 - 11:57:06 ART
The CCIE Lab Exam sure has changed over the years! It used to be that:
1. It was a multiple day exam.
2. The exam was graded in a purely manual fashion by the proctors.
3. There were all kinds of grading differences from today, such as
getting points if your network diagrams were real pretty.
4. As opposed to the Windows calculator, candidates were allowed to
access an abacus in the back of the lab room.
I believe that Cisco has been consistently improving the Lab since these
early days - and one of the major improvements has been in combating
"brute force" and "brain dump" attacks at passing.
I know of several candidates that have tried to pass by "collecting"
dumps of exams in the attempt at seeing the actual test before they
enter the Lab room. They are not as successful as others for two main
reasons - 1) They never tend to see the exact lab someone else had
anymore, and 2) They never have fully mastered the technologies.
I think Cisco generates new exams now at a very, very rapid pace. They
have a database of topologies, core tasks, non-core tasks - and they
create new exams from this database, perhaps, on-demand.
Yes - I believe that in a Borg-like fashion, they are now using machines
to not only grade lab exams - but also to create them!
Proctors also lurk on Group Study and other such forums (Hi Howard -
thanks for all the free Mountain Dews)! I am sure they are doing this to
see if any tasks are posted verbatim so that they can modify the
database of tasks appropriately.
So will you see the same exam twice in the 2007 testing environment? I
certainly doubt it! I think you might see the same task here or there;
or maybe even the exact same core topology from a previous attempt...but
the exact same exam...if you do - I sure hope you play your local
lottery.
Anthony J. Sequeira
#15626
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Gobind
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:59 AM
To: Narbik Kocharians; Brad Ellis
Cc: Digital Yemeni; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Same CCIE Lab twice
Hehehe,Yea Narbik is right,no one knows about its own doc:P,that what
kinda student they were and what kind of grade they got to pass heir
degree,mayeb ON MARK,and how good they were in study or maybe how many
times they retake some the exams for some subjects at which they arent
good:P.TRUE SAID.
Cheers
Gobind
> -----Original Message-----
> From: narbikk@gmail.com
> Sent: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:42:26 -0800
> To: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> Subject: Re: Same CCIE Lab twice
>
> Forget CCIE, does any one knows what kind of student their doctor was?
>
> On 2/21/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does it matter how many tries it takes? No one knows how many times
it
>> took
>> you to pass - they only see the digits!!! ;)
>>
>> -b
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Digital Yemeni" <digital-yemeni@hotmail.com>
>> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: Same CCIE Lab twice
>>
>>
>> Some people watch on others for their 3 times' attempts, if 9 times I
>> sure
>> must go sell snacks and quit IT. Please god don?t embarrass me with 9
>> times
>> with the same Lab! Hehehehe you guys are awesome!
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Digital
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> I'm expected to be busy for the next 57 years + CCIE preparation adds
on
>> that a bit. Therefore, please be concise on your email. Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "Brad Ellis" <brad@ccbootcamp.com>
>> >Reply-To: "Brad Ellis" <brad@ccbootcamp.com>
>> >To: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>,
>> <deji500@hotmail.com
>> >,
>>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> >Subject: Re: Same CCIE Lab twice
>> >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:52:44 -0800
>>>
>> >Twice... I know someone who failed the same lab three times - he
took
>> the
>> >lab exam nine times total before he passed. Within the nine
attempts,
>> >three of them were the same, with the rest of them being pretty
>> similar.
>> >His issue was lack of confidence and he would run out of time even
>> though
>> >he knew the material.
>>>
>> >thanks,
>> >Brad Ellis
>> >CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> >CCSI#30482
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>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Dennis"
>> ><bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
>> >To: <deji500@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:44 PM
>> >Subject: Re: Same CCIE Lab twice
>>>
>>>
>> >Yes it can happen. Some people have even failed the same lab twice.
>>>
>> >--
>>>
>> >Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
>> >bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>> >On 2/21/07 3:19 PM, "deji500@hotmail.com" <deji500@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>> >>Is it possible to get the same lab twice in a row? what are the
rules
>> >>regarding being given the same lab? Can it happen by error and if
it
>> does
>> >>what
>> >>should one do?
>>>>
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