From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Feb 16 2007 - 20:03:01 ART
You are correct but most of the vendors can be nailed in one trip, like
ccbootcamp and Internetwork experts are located in Nevada.
IPexpert, ccbootcamp and Netmasters all offer classes in DC area, some even
offer classes in Dallas area.
The cost of the airfare is less than 4000 - 4500 dollars that you would pay
for a boot camp. The other day i heard from few of our students that
apparently they took this boot camp and they were very P.Oed, so i always
tell people audit before paying, it's like buying a car, or it can be worst
"marriage" (just kidding).
On 2/16/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I would think this is a great idea, however, each
> vendor is geographically separated. With that being
> said for most people this may not be financially,
> feasible ($$$)to "audit" 2 or 3 or 4 or more vendors.
> Planes, Hotels and Expenses can inhibit this option.
> However, if you happen to be local or can audit a
> remote session in some fashion this would be a great
> idea.
>
> I know several vendors have demos of their products
> that are very good. COD/VOD and Subject Snippets of
> their offerings.
>
>
> --- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I only have one recommendation:
> > If you can, you should audit major vendors boot camp
> > and then YOU decide who
> > you should go with, i must add they are all great:
> > ccbootcamp.com, IPexpert,
> > Netmaster and internetwork expert.
> > If a vendor does not allow you to audit, i would not
> > go with them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/15/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Saurabh,
> > >
> > > Welcome to Groupstudy's CCIE List.
> > >
> > > I'll assume you have passed the CCIE Written Exam,
> > and
> > > if so have a certain familiarity with most topics
> > that
> > > are on the lab.
> > >
> > > 1. Go to cisco.com/go/ccie and take a look around
> > > there - you will find the CCIE Lab Outline among
> > other
> > > things.
> > >
> > > 2. If you decide to go with a vendor, there are
> > > several and since you got this far, you probably
> > are
> > > quite proficient with using search tools - this
> > forum
> > > has answered this question at least hundred if not
> > a
> > > thousand times already and the answers have not
> > really
> > > changed that much over the years and no matter how
> > > many times asked.
> > >
> > > I will tell you that currently, I myself have had
> > good
> > > experience with all vendor workbooks (yep - I have
> > > used them all if nothing else than for additional
> > > reading material), and I am going to instead point
> > you
> > > to another direction - first.
> > >
> > > Not that you cannot just totally blow me off and
> > think
> > > I am a bit insane for suggesting you actually read
> > the
> > > books, do some real exrecises, and gain additional
> > > insight before asking the vendors to simply fill
> > your
> > > head with concepts, terms, tips, tricks and
> > valuable
> > > advice that you are probably not yet ready to
> > > comprehend yet. And no offense is intended - none
> > at
> > > all.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Since you are new, go to lulu.com and search for
> > CCIE,
> > > you will find Tom Larus, he offers a free guide to
> > the
> > > CCIE Lab. It is dated and is not quite up to
> > date,
> > > but you owe it to yourself to have a look and it
> > is
> > > free so it won't hurt to look.
> > >
> > > Here is the specific link:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.php?_shopSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fbrowse%2Fsearch.php&_helpSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fhelp%2Fsearch.php&_forumSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fforums%2Fsearch.php%3Fmode%3Dresults&search_forum=-1&search_cat=2&show_results=topics&return_chars=200&search_keywords=&keys=&fSearch=ccie&fSearchFamily=0
> > >
> > > Watch the wrap.
> > >
> > > Not to insult but if you search lulu.com for CCNA,
> > you
> > > might also find CCNA - Learning by Doing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.php?_shopSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fbrowse%2Fsearch.php&_helpSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fhelp%2Fsearch.php&_forumSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fforums%2Fsearch.php%3Fmode%3Dresults&search_forum=-1&search_cat=2&show_results=topics&return_chars=200&search_keywords=&keys=&fSearch=ccna&fSearchFamily=0
> > >
> > > So either way you can download free or purchase a
> > > printed copy for easy reading.
> > >
> > > I would advise starting here first. Get a feel
> > for
> > > things.
> > >
> > > Now that you have read these and hopefully done
> > these
> > > exercises and got into the groove of expectations.
> > >
> > > Go to ebay.
> > >
> > > Perform a search on CCIE. Look for a guy named
> > Matt
> > > Weber.
> > >
> > > He offers a quick CCIE RS lab Outline - perhaps
> > > 150-200 pages or so that he will send you a print
> > copy
> > > of.
> > >
> > > Nice package with a lot of experience and
> > practical
> > > advice for a little pocket change.
> > >
> > > Again, I'm going to hep you out:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/CCIE-Lab-Study-Guide_W0QQitemZ300081690012QQihZ020QQcategoryZ51202QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> > >
> > > Now I have found the following items to be
> > invaluable
> > > and each of the vendors in question will reference
> > you
> > > to them as well - so I'll save you the trouble and
> > > tell you now.
> > >
> > > 1. InternetworkExpert.com - Tons of good and free
> > > links and tips on their site - NTP, FRTS, and
> > Subnet
> > > Mask Calculations come to my mind - but there is a
> > lot
> > > more there for free and available just for
> > stopping
> > > by. - By the way the three I just mentioned to
> > you
> > > are probably worth at least 8-9 points on your lab
> > > whenever you go.
> > >
> > > 2. Netmasterclass.com - they have a wealth of
> > papers
> > > on their site and there are probably 20-30 pdfs
> > freely
> > > available for your usage and perusal - take a look
> > and
> > > enjoy the free scenery. - Things like Multicast,
> > > Native VLAN, Redistribution, BGP topics, RIP, etc.
> > > stand out like a sore thumb and will likely serve
> > you
> > > well in the lab - 10-12 points or so.
> > >
> > > 3. IPExpert.com - Join get an account - take
> > > adavantage of the CCNP and CCIE eScnearios - here
> > you
> > > will find a wealth of knoweldge freely available.
> > I'd
> > > say you can round up at least another 10-12 points
> > not
> > > covered anywhere up above or below. So get them
> > while
> > > they last.
> > >
> > > 4. CCBootcamp.com - look around they might refer
> > you
> > > to their Public FTP Site and if you are keen
> > enough to
> > > find it, you will also have found a wealth of
> > items
> > > that you may want to peruse including some current
> > and
> > > relevant CCIE Advice and lots of other freebies as
> > > well - Frame Relay Setup is there as I recall -
> > just a
> > > lot of good overall and general info. I'm sure a
> > > careful eye can find some items that will save
> > some
> > > pitfalls later.
> > >
> > > 5. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/home/home.htm -
> > Make
> > > it your homepage. Bookmark it. Learn it, Live it,
> > Eat
> > > it, Sleep it, and I even want you to be like Alice
> > in
> > > Wonderland and dream it.
> > >
> > > Every vendor will point you here - recall what I
> > told
> > > you about searching, I want you to use this every
> > time
> > > you have a problem, a doubt, a concern, etc. If
> > you
> > > see a table, find it in here. Regular Expressions
> > -
> > > they are here and I want you to tell me where.
> > >
> > > Got it. No forgivemess if you pass this one up.
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 Network Learning, Inc. (CCIE class Instructor) www.ccbootcamp.com (CCIE Training)
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