From: Filyurin, Yan (yan.filyurin@eds.com)
Date: Fri Feb 09 2007 - 22:27:37 ART
I actually don't know either, how it started and maybe this discussion
is just procrastinating from real studying, but somehow I somehow didn't
like the strong responses from both sides of the argument. Somehow the
argument of "real engineers vs. "lab rats" seemed pointless to me. I
completely agree that CCIE does open doors and get you more
opportunities to do some interesting work and make a difference. In
some very critical industries like medical and legal and certain other
engineering industries, people are subjected to some very rigorous
examinations before they can even practice in the field. We are not and
maybe one day, there will be a complex network examination before people
have to enter the field.
How you prepared for CCIE makes no difference and just in itself the
examination is a great challenge that will make you discover things
about technology and about yourself. Yes it could be Cisco propaganda
and all that other stuff, but it irrelevant. It is an educational
achievement, but it is a step towards doing awesome real stuff and
having more opportunities to make a difference. On the other hand a
lawyer who graduated from law school and just took a bar exam has still
a lot to learn as he enters the real world.
So all I am trying to say is that a challenge like CCIE and real world
challenges are very much different, yet they do overlap and ultimately
after passing CCIE, there is an opportunity to move to other unknown
challenges be it figuring out way to train others to pass it, or
challenging yourself with more things in the real world, but the idea is
to constantly evolve with new things. So if you are just doing some
stuff in the "real world" and want to prove that you are good enough to
be with the best go for CCIE and if you are self proclaimed "lab rat",
go out and figure out ways to do things outside the lab. It is all
about evolving.
Procrastination is over and back to studying!
Yan
-----Original Message-----
From: joshua lauer [mailto:jslauer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:16 PM
To: Joe Chang; Filyurin, Yan; Faryar Zabihi (fzabihi);
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Lab rats make me mad
correct...
it all comes out in the wash.
I'm not sure what the original point of the discussion was; people
sitting
in labs shouldnt be CCIE's? If that's the case then take mine away, I do
very little "real" stuff since I obtained my CCIE but I still maintain
my
skills on a lab. Guess that makes me a lab rat :)
As noted above, CCIE does open doors that were not previously open.
Being
the only CCIE in my organization has increased my workload considerably
and
I would hazard a guess that I make far less money than just about anyone
on
this board.
JL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Chang" <changjoe@earthlink.net>
To: "Filyurin, Yan" <yan.filyurin@eds.com>; "Faryar Zabihi (fzabihi)"
<fzabihi@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Lab rats make me mad
> Over time us "Lab Rats" will gain opportunities, experience and
knowledge
> that was unavailable to us before passing the CCIE. So the differences
in
> backgrounds of CCIEs evens out eventually. It's a temporary matter.
>
> #16805
>
>
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