From: Sean C (Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 19 2006 - 13:08:49 ART
Bahahaha! Even I admit, this is just getting silly!
So either:
1-Gavin forged the Tong Ma notice from an earlier in this email chain -
CT20061002_0000000312 - Yes there will be 4 switches in the lab after the
November upgrade
2-Martin forged the Tong Ma notice from his email:
CT20061016_0000003524 - We don't release the number of switches used in the
lab
3-Or, we're being played for fools!
I'm sticking my head back in my books, I got a lab in a week with TWO
switches. ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Kiefer
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:07 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
Well i got this from Tong Ma yesterday, saying that Cisco does not
release the numbers of switches in the lab...:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccie-lab@cisco.com [mailto:ccie-lab@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:20 PM
> To: martin@kiefer.dk
> Subject: Topology
>
> Please include the following line in all replies.
> Tracking number: CT20061016_0000003524
>
> hello Martin,
>
> We don't release the number of switches used in the lab. Hope
> this helps.
>
>
> regards,
> Tong Ma
> CCIE Program
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of Sean C
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:54 PM
> To: 'Narbik Kocharians'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
>
> I don't think there is a question of the level of skill-set
> in relation to what is needed to earn a CCIE R&S. I think
> everyone can agree that if you have the applicable skills,
> you should be able to pass the R&S if there is 1 switch, 2
> switches, 4 switches or a lab made up entirely of 3560s (no
> FR - boo-hoo!).
>
> I think the root issue is due to Cisco's ambiguity on
> admitting the topology. But, Cisco has always been
> ambiguous. What is behind the green curtain, will stay
> behind the green curtain (Wizard of Oz reference for those
> scratching their heads on this one).
>
> Anyway, we now have two respected vendors - IPExpert and
> InternetworkExpert admitting their new labs are being
> prepared with 4 switches in mind. At the same time, someone
> was kind enough to forward an email from Tong Ma (who is on
> the CCIE team) stating there will be four switches. On top
> of that Sabrina took the time to relay that a proctor told
> her that the switches will increase to four.
>
> Perhaps it was misunderstood by what you meant in "TELL ME
> YOUR INTERPRETENTION. It's unbelievable"
>
> I hope it's becoming believable that there will be four
> switches in the R&S topology in the near future.
>
> OT - I am going for my R&S next week. If I have the
> opportunity, I will also inquire about the future topology.
> But considering people don't want to believe what others have
> commented on already, I doubt my findings will add much.
> But, of course, I'm HOPING I'm only inquiring for others -
> that is, I'm hoping my next trip to the lab will be my last
> for the R&S!
>
> Respectfully,
> Sean
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:17 AM
> To: Victor C.
> Cc: Brian McGahan; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
>
> Victor,
>
>
>
> I thank you for your kind words, but if you think about it,
> there are lots of people that are concerned about the lab
> having two switches versus four switches. The truth of the
> matter is that there are lot's of people that would like to
> see two switches because they are worried about their lack of
> knowledge working on 4 switches. Whereas, they should be
> spending time to learn STP.
>
> Why would it matter to see 2 versus 4? Can you explain that
> to me? Are some people waiting for 50,000 super labs on 4
> switches, 6 routers and two backbones? What is going to
> happen to the level of CCIEs?
>
> *Are we super lab experts?* Do we know what we should know?
> Now you see why I say it's unbelievable.
>
> Well, let's say these people took the test and passed because
> superlab 68 from this company XYZ was very close to the real
> lab, therefore, they got their number,
>
> NOW WHAT?????????? Are you going to look for a job as a CCIE??????
>
> That's the real issue here that no one likes to talk about.
> Now you tell me is that unbelievable or not?
>
>
> On 10/18/06, Victor C. <cvictor@protokolgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> > Narbik, I do recognizance that you have 3 CCIEs, and all that..
> >
> > And also that your trainings are good. From want I hear
> from a couple
> > of peoples, So my respects to you..
> >
> >
> >
> > But.. I would consider here that your email had no meaning,
> I mean, I
> > can believe what I like, but anyways I respect your opinion
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Victor.-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *De:* Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com] *Enviado el:*
> > Miircoles, 18 de Octubre de 2006 11:47 p.m.
> > *Para:* Victor Cappuccio
> > *CC:* Brian McGahan; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > *Asunto:* Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> >
> >
> >
> > Unbeleivabbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbble
> >
> > On 10/18/06, *Victor Cappuccio* <cvictor@protokolgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> > Brian, that is a BIGGGG relive
> >
> > Thanks!!!
> > Victor.-
> >
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: Brian McGahan [mailto: bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com] Enviado
> > el: Miircoles, 18 de Octubre de 2006 05:36 p.m.
> > Para: Victor Cappuccio; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Asunto: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> >
> > Victor,
> >
> > That's one way to put it :) Like Brian Dennis said
> we are in
> > the process of updating IEWB-RS based on our new topology with four
> > switches. Don't worry though, all of our customers will receive
> > electronic updates free of charge per our Investment
> Protection program:
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/investmentprotection.htm . More
> > information will be available as the release date approaches.
> >
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP)
> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> > 24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com
> > Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Victor Cappuccio
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:24 PM
> > > To: 'Joshua Lauer'; 'Ben Holko'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> > >
> > > Would that not make all R&S WB's in the market obsolete??
> > > See 2 switches are a different world than having 4
> switches (yes my
> > bet
> > > continues to be having 4 at the lab, but I would be wrong)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > De: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com]
> En nombre
> > > de Joshua Lauer Enviado el: Miircoles, 18 de Octubre de
> 2006 06:04
> > > a.m.
> > > Para: Ben Holko; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Asunto: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> > >
> > > Wow...a voice of reason, shouldn't really matter on whether the
> > > switch's are 3560, 3750, 3550, etc....or how many. know
> the features
> > > and know the basics and you should be more than fine for the lab.
> > > Just my
> > > 02 cents.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > >
> > > Joshua Lauer
> > >
> > > CCIE#16024
> > >
> > > CCNP, CCSP, CCDP, CCIP, INFOSEC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ben Holko" <ben.holko@globalcenter.net.au>
> > > To: < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:02 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> > >
> > > > ...I'm not sure why people seem to care so much whether
> it is 2 or
> > > > 4....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of sabrina pittarel
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2006 4:18 PM
> > > > To: Darby Weaver; Sean C.; Narbik Kocharians
> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> > > >
> > > > Darby,
> > > > if you read my email yesterday it was Tom who told me
> people will
> > > > start seeing 4 switches in the lab.
> > > > I'm not sure why people refuse to believe.
> > > > Sabrina
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Darby Weaver
> > > > < darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: Sean C. <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com>; Narbik Kocharians <
> > > > narbikk@gmail.com>
> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday,
> > > > October 17, 2006 9:05:03 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> > > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to see my name in one of the quotes.
> > > >
> > > > Nowhere does it
> > > > state "4" Switching. In the U.S.
> > > > version of English the word "replacing"
> > > > means to use
> > > > one in lieu of the other.
> > > >
> > > > Now by Maurilio Gorito's comment - it
> > > > suggests one may
> > > > see one of each (3560 and 3550 - as an example)
> > > > for a time in one lab or
> > > > the other.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I'm going to RTP this Friday and Tom, who
> > > > works for Maurilio in
> > > > some sense, will be there - most likely.
> > > >
> > > > Tom configures the
> > > > equipment to be deployed in the
> > > > CCIE Labs worldwide.
> > > >
> > > > I would think he "might"
> > > > have a clue about such
> > > > things.
> > > >
> > > > But if it were me:
> > > >
> > > > I have 2 3550's today in
> > > > my most update rack and I
> > > > will have two and only 2 3560's in my rack after
> > > > the the Novemeber
> > > > turnover. Which for me if I do not pass the lab
> > > > on the 20th of October,
> > > > the 21st of October will be MY effective date to
> > > > start working with
> > > > 3560's.
> > > >
> > > > For everyone else, read the thread - people are
> > > > jibing at and joking
> > > > about it. i.e. This is a big joke.
> > > >
> > > > There are 2 and only 2 switches until you read it
> > > > plainly on Cisco's
> > > > Website. In which case, you will likely have at
> > > > least 6 months to
> > > > adjust yourself and your own rack accordingly.
> > > >
> > > > Now when you
> > > > see InternetworkExpert's Bill of
> > > > Materials reading 4 switches. It is likely
> > > > because they already have 2
> > > > 3550's and will likely keep them and will also
> > > > have 3560's (qty 2). The
> > > > student can pick and choose - correct me (Brian
> > > > and
> > > > Brian) if I
> > > > speak out of turn. I don't work for them - BTW.
> > > >
> > > > Understand the
> > > > 3550 is being outdated by Cisco - why
> > > > would they leave it on the rack???
> > > >
> > > > Use
> > > > the tremendous brain power you each have to read
> > > > English.
> > > > ==============================
> > > >
> > > > Personally even if I see a 3560 on the rack - I
> > > > gather I will be doing
> > > > the same things as I did on the 3550.
> > > >
> > > > Cisco has to
> > > > go through a process like everyone else.
> > > >
> > > > They do it this way for the routers
> > > > - why would they
> > > > not for the switches?
> > > >
> > > > I mean - had I not spent a bundle on
> > > > updating my
> > > > equipment.
> > > >
> > > > I'd just use 2514's on 12.2.17T to study with and
> > > > a pair of 3550's and I
> > > > feel I'd do pretty good on any given lab.
> > > >
> > > > When I studied
> > > > using the Mock Labs with the Brians a
> > > > few month back - the code on the routers was not
> > > > the latest... But I
> > > > learned what I needed to know just the same.
> > > >
> > > > You
> > > > can do quite a bit... or you can keep up with the
> > > > Jones's...
> > > >
> > > > You decide.
> > > >
> > > > For
> > > > me the lab is passable, even if it takes more than
> > > > one attempt.
> > > >
> > > > They simply
> > > > ask questions from a body of knowledge
> > > > they listed to be studied.
> > > >
> > > > That is
> > > > all...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- "Sean C." <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> What's
> > > > "...not correct ..."? Where on the Cisco
> > > >> website does it state what
> > > >> will
> > > > be the total number of switches?
> > > >>
> > > >> Mind you, just because it states that it
> > > > will be
> > > >> replacing the model of switch
> > > >> is independent of what the total
> > > > number of switches
> > > >> will be.
> > > >>
> > > >> All you can be suggesting is that what
> > > > Gavin posted
> > > >> from Tong Ma was
> > > >> fraudulent.
> > > >> Also, what Scott was
> > > > fraudulent:
> > > >>
> > > > http://shop.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200609/msg01279.html
> > > >>
> > > >> If you want to stay prepared for only 2
> > > >> switches - then you "go for
> > > >> it"
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: Narbik Kocharians
> > > >> To: Sean C
> > > >>
> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:56 PM
> > > >>
> > > > Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH
> > > >> ALREAD
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> That's
> > > > all i can say, if you think CIsco's web
> > > >> site is not correct then go
> > > >> for it
> > > > and prep up for four switches.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 10/17/06, Sean C
> > > > <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> Wha?? I don't need to read the link
> > > > you
> > > >> provided - even if I did, because
> > > >> of the link's ambiguity, one could
> > > > only 'assume'.
> > > >>
> > > >> Like I wrote at the end of my last email - if
> > > >> I
> > > >>
> > > > walked into the lab
> > > >> sometime in mid-November, I expect to see 4
> > > >> switches.
> > > > The email from Tong Ma
> > > >> validates that thinking - ASSUMING Tong's email
> > > >>
> > > > wasn't doctored (which I don't
> > > >> believe Gavin did in anyway).
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > Unfortunately, your last gripe "It's
> > > >> unbelievable" is, in fact,
> > > >>
> > > > BELIEVABLE, simply because there is wrong
> > > >> information being posted out
> > > > there.
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: Narbik Kocharians
> > > >>
> > > > To: Sean C.
> > > >> Cc: Brad Ellis ; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >> Sent:
> > > > Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:57 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE
> > > > R&S Pre
> > > >> ENOUGH ALREADY
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Let's not assume anymore, here PLEASE
> > > > READ IT
> > > >> AND TELL ME YOUR
> > > >> INTERPRETENTION. It's unbeleivable
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> >
> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/announcements/#rsne
wlabequip
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 10/16/06, Sean C.
> > > >> <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > > Yes, but Brad, (and I write this
> > > >> respectfully) - I think there is
> > > >> some
> > > >>
> > > > hesitation (or at least 2nd guessing) when
> > > >> we find conflicting
> > > >> information
> > > >> like what is posted below.
> > > >>
> > > >> "Yes, just two switches. The
> > > > other rumors
> > > >> about four switches
> > > >> are/were
> > > >> incorrect.
> > > >>
> > > > thanks,
> > > >> Brad Ellis"
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200610/msg00121.html
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > Then, a few posts later...
> > > >>
> > > >> To: Gavin Lawson
> > > >> Subject:
> > > > Switches in the Lab
> > > >> Please include the following line in all
> > > >>
> > > > replies.
> > > >> Tracking number: CT20061002_0000000312
> > > >> Hello
> > > > Gavin,
> > > >> Yes there will be 4 switches in the lab
> > > >> after the November
> > > > upgrade and
> > > >> it
> > > >> will be a combination of 3550 & 3560 but
> > > >> we are
> > > > not releasing the
> > > >> numbers of
> > > >> each type being used.
> > > >>
> > > > Regards,
> > > >> Tong Ma
> > > >> CCIE Program
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200610/msg00134.html
> > > >>
> > > >> I
> > > > recognize the number of switches is a
> > > >> different 'thread' then the
> > > >> model of
> > > >> switches. But still, the reason there
> > > >> maybe some
> > > >> misinformation
> > > > is
> > > >> because
> > > >> of statements like the ones above.
> > > >>
> > > >> Again,
> > > > I write this respectfully,
> > > >> Sean
> > > >>
> > > >> PS - my $$ is on there
> > > > will be 4 switches in
> > > >> the lab.
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>
> > > > From: "Brad Ellis" < brad@ccbootcamp.com>
> > > >> To: "Victor Cappuccio" <
> > > >>
> > > > cvictor@protokolgroup.com >; "Shamin"
> > > >> <ccie.xpert@gmail.com>; "ali
> > > > usmani" <
> > > >> alihassan80@yahoo.com>
> > > >> Cc: "Brian Dennis"
> > > >>
> > > > <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>;
> > > >> < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:30 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: Lab Equipment
> > > > for CCIE R&S Pre
> > > >> ENOUGH ALREADY!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> lovely...lets keep the
> > > > rumors going! the
> > > >> 3550s WILL BE REMOVED!!!
> > > >> YES!
> > > >> They will be!
> > > > They are BEING REPLACED by
> > > >> catalyst 3560s! So, for a
> > > >> period
> > > >> of
> > > > time, there will be 3550s in some
> > > >> people's labs, and 3560s in
> > > >> others...
> > > >>
> > > >> ---------snip email from R&S head
> > > >> proctor----
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi
> > > > Brad,
> > > >>
> > > >> CCIE R&S will start replacing the 3550s
> > > >> and introducing
> > > > the 3560. For
> > > >> a
> > > >> period candidates might see 3550s and
> > > >> 3560s
> > > >>
> > > > because it takes time to
> > > >> replace everything, but is not a bad idea
> > > > if
> > > >> you go to have 3560s.
> > > >>
> > > >> Maurilio
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/announcements/index.html
> > > >>
> > > > Change to CCIE R&S Lab Equipment and IOS
> > > >> Effective November 13,
> > > > 2006, CCIE Routing
> > > >> and Switching labs will
> > > >> begin
> > > >> replacing the
> > > > Catalyst 3550 by introducing
> > > >> the Cisco Catalyst 3560
> > > >> Series
> > > >>
> > > > enterprise-class switches.
> > > >>
> > > >> All CCIE R&S candidates taking exams
> > > > on or
> > > >> after that date should be
> > > >> familiar with the new switches and
> > > >> associated IOS, although
> > > >> installation of
> > > >> the new equipment will
> > > > take place over
> > > >> several months and some
> > > >> candidates
> > > >> may not see
> > > > the new equipment in their exams
> > > >> right away. No changes
> > > >> are
> > > >>
> > > > being made to the lab exam blueprint at this
> > > >> time and candidates
> > > >> should
> > > >>
> > > > continue to refer to the existing CCIE R&S
> > > >> Lab Exam Blueprint for exam
> > > >>
> > > > topics.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > === message truncated ===
> > > >
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