From: Sean C (Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 19 2006 - 10:53:51 ART
I don't think there is a question of the level of skill-set in relation to
what is needed to earn a CCIE R&S. I think everyone can agree that if you
have the applicable skills, you should be able to pass the R&S if there is 1
switch, 2 switches, 4 switches or a lab made up entirely of 3560s (no FR -
boo-hoo!).
I think the root issue is due to Cisco's ambiguity on admitting the
topology. But, Cisco has always been ambiguous. What is behind the green
curtain, will stay behind the green curtain (Wizard of Oz reference for
those scratching their heads on this one).
Anyway, we now have two respected vendors - IPExpert and InternetworkExpert
admitting their new labs are being prepared with 4 switches in mind. At the
same time, someone was kind enough to forward an email from Tong Ma (who is
on the CCIE team) stating there will be four switches. On top of that
Sabrina took the time to relay that a proctor told her that the switches
will increase to four.
Perhaps it was misunderstood by what you meant in "TELL ME YOUR
INTERPRETENTION. It's unbelievable"
I hope it's becoming believable that there will be four switches in the R&S
topology in the near future.
OT - I am going for my R&S next week. If I have the opportunity, I will
also inquire about the future topology. But considering people don't want
to believe what others have commented on already, I doubt my findings will
add much. But, of course, I'm HOPING I'm only inquiring for others - that
is, I'm hoping my next trip to the lab will be my last for the R&S!
Respectfully,
Sean
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:17 AM
To: Victor C.
Cc: Brian McGahan; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
Victor,
I thank you for your kind words, but if you think about it, there are lots
of people that are concerned about the lab having two switches versus four
switches. The truth of the matter is that there are lot's of people that
would like to see two switches because they are worried about their lack of
knowledge working on 4 switches. Whereas, they should be spending time to
learn STP.
Why would it matter to see 2 versus 4? Can you explain that to me? Are some
people waiting for 50,000 super labs on 4 switches, 6 routers and two
backbones? What is going to happen to the level of CCIEs?
*Are we super lab experts?* Do we know what we should know? Now you see why
I say it's unbelievable.
Well, let's say these people took the test and passed because superlab 68
from this company XYZ was very close to the real lab, therefore, they got
their number,
NOW WHAT?????????? Are you going to look for a job as a CCIE??????
That's the real issue here that no one likes to talk about. Now you tell me
is that unbelievable or not?
On 10/18/06, Victor C. <cvictor@protokolgroup.com> wrote:
>
> Narbik, I do recognizance that you have 3 CCIEs, and all that..
>
> And also that your trainings are good. From want I hear from a couple of
> peoples, So my respects to you..
>
>
>
> But.. I would consider here that your email had no meaning, I mean, I can
> believe what I like, but anyways I respect your opinion
>
> Thanks
>
> Victor.-
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *De:* Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com]
> *Enviado el:* Miircoles, 18 de Octubre de 2006 11:47 p.m.
> *Para:* Victor Cappuccio
> *CC:* Brian McGahan; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> *Asunto:* Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
>
>
>
> Unbeleivabbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbble
>
> On 10/18/06, *Victor Cappuccio* <cvictor@protokolgroup.com> wrote:
>
> Brian, that is a BIGGGG relive
>
> Thanks!!!
> Victor.-
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Brian McGahan [mailto: bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com]
> Enviado el: Miircoles, 18 de Octubre de 2006 05:36 p.m.
> Para: Victor Cappuccio; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Asunto: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
>
> Victor,
>
> That's one way to put it :) Like Brian Dennis said we are in
> the process of updating IEWB-RS based on our new topology with four
> switches. Don't worry though, all of our customers will receive
> electronic updates free of charge per our Investment Protection program:
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/investmentprotection.htm . More
> information will be available as the release date approaches.
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP)
> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> 24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com
> Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Victor Cappuccio
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:24 PM
> > To: 'Joshua Lauer'; 'Ben Holko'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> >
> > Would that not make all R&S WB's in the market obsolete??
> > See 2 switches are a different world than having 4 switches (yes my
> bet
> > continues to be having 4 at the lab, but I would be wrong)
> >
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com] En nombre de
> > Joshua
> > Lauer
> > Enviado el: Miircoles, 18 de Octubre de 2006 06:04 a.m.
> > Para: Ben Holko; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Asunto: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> >
> > Wow...a voice of reason, shouldn't really matter on
> > whether the switch's are 3560, 3750, 3550, etc....or
> > how many. know the features and know the basics and
> > you should be more than fine for the lab. Just my
> > 02 cents.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > JL
> >
> >
> > Joshua Lauer
> >
> > CCIE#16024
> >
> > CCNP, CCSP, CCDP, CCIP, INFOSEC
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ben Holko" <ben.holko@globalcenter.net.au>
> > To: < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:02 AM
> > Subject: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH
> > ALREADY
> >
> > > ...I'm not sure why people seem to care so much
> > > whether it is 2 or 4....
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > sabrina pittarel
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2006 4:18 PM
> > > To: Darby Weaver; Sean C.; Narbik Kocharians
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH
> > > ALREADY
> > >
> > > Darby,
> > > if you read my email yesterday it was Tom who told
> > > me people will start
> > > seeing 4 switches in the lab.
> > > I'm not sure why people refuse to believe.
> > > Sabrina
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Darby Weaver
> > > < darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > To: Sean C. <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com>; Narbik
> > > Kocharians
> > > < narbikk@gmail.com>
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday,
> > > October 17, 2006 9:05:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH
> > > ALREADY
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Sorry to see my name in one of the quotes.
> > >
> > > Nowhere does it
> > > state "4" Switching. In the U.S.
> > > version of English the word "replacing"
> > > means to use
> > > one in lieu of the other.
> > >
> > > Now by Maurilio Gorito's comment - it
> > > suggests one may
> > > see one of each (3560 and 3550 - as an example)
> > > for a time in one lab or
> > > the other.
> > >
> > > Now, I'm going to RTP this Friday and Tom, who
> > > works for Maurilio in
> > > some sense, will be there - most likely.
> > >
> > > Tom configures the
> > > equipment to be deployed in the
> > > CCIE Labs worldwide.
> > >
> > > I would think he "might"
> > > have a clue about such
> > > things.
> > >
> > > But if it were me:
> > >
> > > I have 2 3550's today in
> > > my most update rack and I
> > > will have two and only 2 3560's in my rack after
> > > the the Novemeber
> > > turnover. Which for me if I do not pass the lab
> > > on the 20th of October,
> > > the 21st of October will be MY effective date to
> > > start working with
> > > 3560's.
> > >
> > > For everyone else, read the thread - people are
> > > jibing at and joking
> > > about it. i.e. This is a big joke.
> > >
> > > There are 2 and only 2 switches until you read it
> > > plainly on Cisco's
> > > Website. In which case, you will likely have at
> > > least 6 months to
> > > adjust yourself and your own rack accordingly.
> > >
> > > Now when you
> > > see InternetworkExpert's Bill of
> > > Materials reading 4 switches. It is likely
> > > because they already have 2
> > > 3550's and will likely keep them and will also
> > > have 3560's (qty 2). The
> > > student can pick and choose - correct me (Brian
> > > and
> > > Brian) if I
> > > speak out of turn. I don't work for them - BTW.
> > >
> > > Understand the
> > > 3550 is being outdated by Cisco - why
> > > would they leave it on the rack???
> > >
> > > Use
> > > the tremendous brain power you each have to read
> > > English.
> > > ==============================
> > >
> > > Personally even if I see a 3560 on the rack - I
> > > gather I will be doing
> > > the same things as I did on the 3550.
> > >
> > > Cisco has to
> > > go through a process like everyone else.
> > >
> > > They do it this way for the routers
> > > - why would they
> > > not for the switches?
> > >
> > > I mean - had I not spent a bundle on
> > > updating my
> > > equipment.
> > >
> > > I'd just use 2514's on 12.2.17T to study with and
> > > a pair of 3550's and I
> > > feel I'd do pretty good on any given lab.
> > >
> > > When I studied
> > > using the Mock Labs with the Brians a
> > > few month back - the code on the routers was not
> > > the latest... But I
> > > learned what I needed to know just the same.
> > >
> > > You
> > > can do quite a bit... or you can keep up with the
> > > Jones's...
> > >
> > > You decide.
> > >
> > > For
> > > me the lab is passable, even if it takes more than
> > > one attempt.
> > >
> > > They simply
> > > ask questions from a body of knowledge
> > > they listed to be studied.
> > >
> > > That is
> > > all...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Sean C." <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> What's
> > > "...not correct ..."? Where on the Cisco
> > >> website does it state what
> > >> will
> > > be the total number of switches?
> > >>
> > >> Mind you, just because it states that it
> > > will be
> > >> replacing the model of switch
> > >> is independent of what the total
> > > number of switches
> > >> will be.
> > >>
> > >> All you can be suggesting is that what
> > > Gavin posted
> > >> from Tong Ma was
> > >> fraudulent.
> > >> Also, what Scott was
> > > fraudulent:
> > >>
> > > http://shop.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200609/msg01279.html
> > >>
> > >> If you want to stay prepared for only 2
> > >> switches - then you "go for
> > >> it"
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Narbik Kocharians
> > >> To: Sean C
> > >>
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:56 PM
> > >>
> > > Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH
> > >> ALREAD
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> That's
> > > all i can say, if you think CIsco's web
> > >> site is not correct then go
> > >> for it
> > > and prep up for four switches.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 10/17/06, Sean C
> > > <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> Wha?? I don't need to read the link
> > > you
> > >> provided - even if I did, because
> > >> of the link's ambiguity, one could
> > > only 'assume'.
> > >>
> > >> Like I wrote at the end of my last email - if
> > >> I
> > >>
> > > walked into the lab
> > >> sometime in mid-November, I expect to see 4
> > >> switches.
> > > The email from Tong Ma
> > >> validates that thinking - ASSUMING Tong's email
> > >>
> > > wasn't doctored (which I don't
> > >> believe Gavin did in anyway).
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Unfortunately, your last gripe "It's
> > >> unbelievable" is, in fact,
> > >>
> > > BELIEVABLE, simply because there is wrong
> > >> information being posted out
> > > there.
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Narbik Kocharians
> > >>
> > > To: Sean C.
> > >> Cc: Brad Ellis ; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> Sent:
> > > Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:57 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE
> > > R&S Pre
> > >> ENOUGH ALREADY
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Let's not assume anymore, here PLEASE
> > > READ IT
> > >> AND TELL ME YOUR
> > >> INTERPRETENTION. It's unbeleivable
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/announcements/#rsnewlabequip
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 10/16/06, Sean C.
> > >> <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > > Yes, but Brad, (and I write this
> > >> respectfully) - I think there is
> > >> some
> > >>
> > > hesitation (or at least 2nd guessing) when
> > >> we find conflicting
> > >> information
> > >> like what is posted below.
> > >>
> > >> "Yes, just two switches. The
> > > other rumors
> > >> about four switches
> > >> are/were
> > >> incorrect.
> > >>
> > > thanks,
> > >> Brad Ellis"
> > >>
> > >>
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200610/msg00121.html
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Then, a few posts later...
> > >>
> > >> To: Gavin Lawson
> > >> Subject:
> > > Switches in the Lab
> > >> Please include the following line in all
> > >>
> > > replies.
> > >> Tracking number: CT20061002_0000000312
> > >> Hello
> > > Gavin,
> > >> Yes there will be 4 switches in the lab
> > >> after the November
> > > upgrade and
> > >> it
> > >> will be a combination of 3550 & 3560 but
> > >> we are
> > > not releasing the
> > >> numbers of
> > >> each type being used.
> > >>
> > > Regards,
> > >> Tong Ma
> > >> CCIE Program
> > >>
> > >>
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200610/msg00134.html
> > >>
> > >> I
> > > recognize the number of switches is a
> > >> different 'thread' then the
> > >> model of
> > >> switches. But still, the reason there
> > >> maybe some
> > >> misinformation
> > > is
> > >> because
> > >> of statements like the ones above.
> > >>
> > >> Again,
> > > I write this respectfully,
> > >> Sean
> > >>
> > >> PS - my $$ is on there
> > > will be 4 switches in
> > >> the lab.
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>
> > > From: "Brad Ellis" < brad@ccbootcamp.com>
> > >> To: "Victor Cappuccio" <
> > >>
> > > cvictor@protokolgroup.com >; "Shamin"
> > >> <ccie.xpert@gmail.com>; "ali
> > > usmani" <
> > >> alihassan80@yahoo.com>
> > >> Cc: "Brian Dennis"
> > >>
> > > <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>;
> > >> < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:30 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: Lab Equipment
> > > for CCIE R&S Pre
> > >> ENOUGH ALREADY!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> lovely...lets keep the
> > > rumors going! the
> > >> 3550s WILL BE REMOVED!!!
> > >> YES!
> > >> They will be!
> > > They are BEING REPLACED by
> > >> catalyst 3560s! So, for a
> > >> period
> > >> of
> > > time, there will be 3550s in some
> > >> people's labs, and 3560s in
> > >> others...
> > >>
> > >> ---------snip email from R&S head
> > >> proctor----
> > >>
> > >> Hi
> > > Brad,
> > >>
> > >> CCIE R&S will start replacing the 3550s
> > >> and introducing
> > > the 3560. For
> > >> a
> > >> period candidates might see 3550s and
> > >> 3560s
> > >>
> > > because it takes time to
> > >> replace everything, but is not a bad idea
> > > if
> > >> you go to have 3560s.
> > >>
> > >> Maurilio
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/announcements/index.html
> > >>
> > > Change to CCIE R&S Lab Equipment and IOS
> > >> Effective November 13,
> > > 2006, CCIE Routing
> > >> and Switching labs will
> > >> begin
> > >> replacing the
> > > Catalyst 3550 by introducing
> > >> the Cisco Catalyst 3560
> > >> Series
> > >>
> > > enterprise-class switches.
> > >>
> > >> All CCIE R&S candidates taking exams
> > > on or
> > >> after that date should be
> > >> familiar with the new switches and
> > >> associated IOS, although
> > >> installation of
> > >> the new equipment will
> > > take place over
> > >> several months and some
> > >> candidates
> > >> may not see
> > > the new equipment in their exams
> > >> right away. No changes
> > >> are
> > >>
> > > being made to the lab exam blueprint at this
> > >> time and candidates
> > >> should
> > >>
> > > continue to refer to the existing CCIE R&S
> > >> Lab Exam Blueprint for exam
> > >>
> > > topics.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > > === message truncated ===
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