From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 19 2006 - 00:46:59 ART
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On 10/18/06, Victor Cappuccio <cvictor@protokolgroup.com> wrote:
>
> Brian, that is a BIGGGG relive
>
> Thanks!!!
> Victor.-
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Brian McGahan [mailto:bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com]
> Enviado el: Miircoles, 18 de Octubre de 2006 05:36 p.m.
> Para: Victor Cappuccio; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Asunto: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
>
> Victor,
>
> That's one way to put it :) Like Brian Dennis said we are in
> the process of updating IEWB-RS based on our new topology with four
> switches. Don't worry though, all of our customers will receive
> electronic updates free of charge per our Investment Protection program:
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/investmentprotection.htm. More
> information will be available as the release date approaches.
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP)
> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Victor Cappuccio
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:24 PM
> > To: 'Joshua Lauer'; 'Ben Holko'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> >
> > Would that not make all R&S WB's in the market obsolete??
> > See 2 switches are a different world than having 4 switches (yes my
> bet
> > continues to be having 4 at the lab, but I would be wrong)
> >
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] En nombre de
> > Joshua
> > Lauer
> > Enviado el: Miircoles, 18 de Octubre de 2006 06:04 a.m.
> > Para: Ben Holko; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Asunto: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH ALREADY
> >
> > Wow...a voice of reason, shouldn't really matter on
> > whether the switch's are 3560, 3750, 3550, etc....or
> > how many. know the features and know the basics and
> > you should be more than fine for the lab. Just my
> > 02 cents.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > JL
> >
> >
> > Joshua Lauer
> >
> > CCIE#16024
> >
> > CCNP, CCSP, CCDP, CCIP, INFOSEC
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ben Holko" <ben.holko@globalcenter.net.au>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:02 AM
> > Subject: RE: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH
> > ALREADY
> >
> > > ...I'm not sure why people seem to care so much
> > > whether it is 2 or 4....
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > sabrina pittarel
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2006 4:18 PM
> > > To: Darby Weaver; Sean C.; Narbik Kocharians
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH
> > > ALREADY
> > >
> > > Darby,
> > > if you read my email yesterday it was Tom who told
> > > me people will start
> > > seeing 4 switches in the lab.
> > > I'm not sure why people refuse to believe.
> > > Sabrina
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Darby Weaver
> > > <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > To: Sean C. <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com>; Narbik
> > > Kocharians
> > > <narbikk@gmail.com>
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday,
> > > October 17, 2006 9:05:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH
> > > ALREADY
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Sorry to see my name in one of the quotes.
> > >
> > > Nowhere does it
> > > state "4" Switching. In the U.S.
> > > version of English the word "replacing"
> > > means to use
> > > one in lieu of the other.
> > >
> > > Now by Maurilio Gorito's comment - it
> > > suggests one may
> > > see one of each (3560 and 3550 - as an example)
> > > for a time in one lab or
> > > the other.
> > >
> > > Now, I'm going to RTP this Friday and Tom, who
> > > works for Maurilio in
> > > some sense, will be there - most likely.
> > >
> > > Tom configures the
> > > equipment to be deployed in the
> > > CCIE Labs worldwide.
> > >
> > > I would think he "might"
> > > have a clue about such
> > > things.
> > >
> > > But if it were me:
> > >
> > > I have 2 3550's today in
> > > my most update rack and I
> > > will have two and only 2 3560's in my rack after
> > > the the Novemeber
> > > turnover. Which for me if I do not pass the lab
> > > on the 20th of October,
> > > the 21st of October will be MY effective date to
> > > start working with
> > > 3560's.
> > >
> > > For everyone else, read the thread - people are
> > > jibing at and joking
> > > about it. i.e. This is a big joke.
> > >
> > > There are 2 and only 2 switches until you read it
> > > plainly on Cisco's
> > > Website. In which case, you will likely have at
> > > least 6 months to
> > > adjust yourself and your own rack accordingly.
> > >
> > > Now when you
> > > see InternetworkExpert's Bill of
> > > Materials reading 4 switches. It is likely
> > > because they already have 2
> > > 3550's and will likely keep them and will also
> > > have 3560's (qty 2). The
> > > student can pick and choose - correct me (Brian
> > > and
> > > Brian) if I
> > > speak out of turn. I don't work for them - BTW.
> > >
> > > Understand the
> > > 3550 is being outdated by Cisco - why
> > > would they leave it on the rack???
> > >
> > > Use
> > > the tremendous brain power you each have to read
> > > English.
> > > ==============================
> > >
> > > Personally even if I see a 3560 on the rack - I
> > > gather I will be doing
> > > the same things as I did on the 3550.
> > >
> > > Cisco has to
> > > go through a process like everyone else.
> > >
> > > They do it this way for the routers
> > > - why would they
> > > not for the switches?
> > >
> > > I mean - had I not spent a bundle on
> > > updating my
> > > equipment.
> > >
> > > I'd just use 2514's on 12.2.17T to study with and
> > > a pair of 3550's and I
> > > feel I'd do pretty good on any given lab.
> > >
> > > When I studied
> > > using the Mock Labs with the Brians a
> > > few month back - the code on the routers was not
> > > the latest... But I
> > > learned what I needed to know just the same.
> > >
> > > You
> > > can do quite a bit... or you can keep up with the
> > > Jones's...
> > >
> > > You decide.
> > >
> > > For
> > > me the lab is passable, even if it takes more than
> > > one attempt.
> > >
> > > They simply
> > > ask questions from a body of knowledge
> > > they listed to be studied.
> > >
> > > That is
> > > all...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Sean C." <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> What's
> > > "...not correct ..."? Where on the Cisco
> > >> website does it state what
> > >> will
> > > be the total number of switches?
> > >>
> > >> Mind you, just because it states that it
> > > will be
> > >> replacing the model of switch
> > >> is independent of what the total
> > > number of switches
> > >> will be.
> > >>
> > >> All you can be suggesting is that what
> > > Gavin posted
> > >> from Tong Ma was
> > >> fraudulent.
> > >> Also, what Scott was
> > > fraudulent:
> > >>
> > > http://shop.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200609/msg01279.html
> > >>
> > >> If you want to stay prepared for only 2
> > >> switches - then you "go for
> > >> it"
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Narbik Kocharians
> > >> To: Sean C
> > >>
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:56 PM
> > >>
> > > Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE R&S Pre ENOUGH
> > >> ALREAD
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> That's
> > > all i can say, if you think CIsco's web
> > >> site is not correct then go
> > >> for it
> > > and prep up for four switches.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 10/17/06, Sean C
> > > <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> Wha?? I don't need to read the link
> > > you
> > >> provided - even if I did, because
> > >> of the link's ambiguity, one could
> > > only 'assume'.
> > >>
> > >> Like I wrote at the end of my last email - if
> > >> I
> > >>
> > > walked into the lab
> > >> sometime in mid-November, I expect to see 4
> > >> switches.
> > > The email from Tong Ma
> > >> validates that thinking - ASSUMING Tong's email
> > >>
> > > wasn't doctored (which I don't
> > >> believe Gavin did in anyway).
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Unfortunately, your last gripe "It's
> > >> unbelievable" is, in fact,
> > >>
> > > BELIEVABLE, simply because there is wrong
> > >> information being posted out
> > > there.
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Narbik Kocharians
> > >>
> > > To: Sean C.
> > >> Cc: Brad Ellis ; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> Sent:
> > > Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:57 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: Lab Equipment for CCIE
> > > R&S Pre
> > >> ENOUGH ALREADY
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Let's not assume anymore, here PLEASE
> > > READ IT
> > >> AND TELL ME YOUR
> > >> INTERPRETENTION. It's unbeleivable
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/announcements/#rsnewlabequip
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 10/16/06, Sean C.
> > >> <Upp_and_Upp@hotmail.com
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > > Yes, but Brad, (and I write this
> > >> respectfully) - I think there is
> > >> some
> > >>
> > > hesitation (or at least 2nd guessing) when
> > >> we find conflicting
> > >> information
> > >> like what is posted below.
> > >>
> > >> "Yes, just two switches. The
> > > other rumors
> > >> about four switches
> > >> are/were
> > >> incorrect.
> > >>
> > > thanks,
> > >> Brad Ellis"
> > >>
> > >>
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200610/msg00121.html
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Then, a few posts later...
> > >>
> > >> To: Gavin Lawson
> > >> Subject:
> > > Switches in the Lab
> > >> Please include the following line in all
> > >>
> > > replies.
> > >> Tracking number: CT20061002_0000000312
> > >> Hello
> > > Gavin,
> > >> Yes there will be 4 switches in the lab
> > >> after the November
> > > upgrade and
> > >> it
> > >> will be a combination of 3550 & 3560 but
> > >> we are
> > > not releasing the
> > >> numbers of
> > >> each type being used.
> > >>
> > > Regards,
> > >> Tong Ma
> > >> CCIE Program
> > >>
> > >>
> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200610/msg00134.html
> > >>
> > >> I
> > > recognize the number of switches is a
> > >> different 'thread' then the
> > >> model of
> > >> switches. But still, the reason there
> > >> maybe some
> > >> misinformation
> > > is
> > >> because
> > >> of statements like the ones above.
> > >>
> > >> Again,
> > > I write this respectfully,
> > >> Sean
> > >>
> > >> PS - my $$ is on there
> > > will be 4 switches in
> > >> the lab.
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>
> > > From: "Brad Ellis" < brad@ccbootcamp.com>
> > >> To: "Victor Cappuccio" <
> > >>
> > > cvictor@protokolgroup.com>; "Shamin"
> > >> <ccie.xpert@gmail.com>; "ali
> > > usmani" <
> > >> alihassan80@yahoo.com>
> > >> Cc: "Brian Dennis"
> > >>
> > > <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>;
> > >> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:30 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: Lab Equipment
> > > for CCIE R&S Pre
> > >> ENOUGH ALREADY!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> lovely...lets keep the
> > > rumors going! the
> > >> 3550s WILL BE REMOVED!!!
> > >> YES!
> > >> They will be!
> > > They are BEING REPLACED by
> > >> catalyst 3560s! So, for a
> > >> period
> > >> of
> > > time, there will be 3550s in some
> > >> people's labs, and 3560s in
> > >> others...
> > >>
> > >> ---------snip email from R&S head
> > >> proctor----
> > >>
> > >> Hi
> > > Brad,
> > >>
> > >> CCIE R&S will start replacing the 3550s
> > >> and introducing
> > > the 3560. For
> > >> a
> > >> period candidates might see 3550s and
> > >> 3560s
> > >>
> > > because it takes time to
> > >> replace everything, but is not a bad idea
> > > if
> > >> you go to have 3560s.
> > >>
> > >> Maurilio
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/announcements/index.html
> > >>
> > > Change to CCIE R&S Lab Equipment and IOS
> > >> Effective November 13,
> > > 2006, CCIE Routing
> > >> and Switching labs will
> > >> begin
> > >> replacing the
> > > Catalyst 3550 by introducing
> > >> the Cisco Catalyst 3560
> > >> Series
> > >>
> > > enterprise-class switches.
> > >>
> > >> All CCIE R&S candidates taking exams
> > > on or
> > >> after that date should be
> > >> familiar with the new switches and
> > >> associated IOS, although
> > >> installation of
> > >> the new equipment will
> > > take place over
> > >> several months and some
> > >> candidates
> > >> may not see
> > > the new equipment in their exams
> > >> right away. No changes
> > >> are
> > >>
> > > being made to the lab exam blueprint at this
> > >> time and candidates
> > >> should
> > >>
> > > continue to refer to the existing CCIE R&S
> > >> Lab Exam Blueprint for exam
> > >>
> > > topics.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > > === message truncated ===
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