From: sheherezada@gmail.com
Date: Sat Oct 07 2006 - 06:36:14 ART
For me, proctors (actually, the only one I know) were quite helpful.
However, all my questions were built so that a potential solution was
not implied (i.e. I pointed out the misleading wording or asked
clarification where I tended to presume something that was not in the
question). I saved this way six points for sure.
Yes, it is also my opinion that one may overanalyze the question.
Just do what you are required to do and nothing more. Do not presume
anyting, ask!
Mihai
CCIE 16616
On 10/7/06, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim@orcsoftware.com> wrote:
> back in January 2006 I talked to gentleman from UK why took a lab the
> same day and he told that for him it was a common issue to expect an
> ambush in each and every question... because of him being a native
> Eng-speaker.... for us, non-natives, life is pretty good, as Scott M
> usually says :-)
>
> /"entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity" (c) W. Ockham
> "especially if you don't know how far you can go beyond" (c) myself :-)
> /
> Alex De Gruiter (AU) wrote:
> > I think I must have just over-read the question. That was ultimately my
> > downfall. I read too much into the few questions that made a difference,
> > and I have learned from the experience. I think a lot of my questions
> > were, as Brad points out, over-analysed - so the proctor telling me to
> > "read the question" was probably an indication that I was reading *too
> > much* into the question.
> >
> > I was too reliant on the proctor, I think. I've read many threads in
> > this forum where proctor-reliance is noted as a key element in achieving
> > the CCIE - in my next attempt I'll simply pay attention to the wording
> > of the question. I won't worry so much on the 2nd attempt about
> > communicating with the proctor, unless absolutely necessary. I thought I
> > could win the psychology battle on the 1st attempt, but life goes on.
> >
> > Technically the CCIE lab is a *LOT* easier than the vendor labs; but the
> > CCIE, in essence, is a test of temperament and interpretation (I like
> > Victor's pun about the Cisco English test!). I'm sure there are plenty
> > of very capable people who fail, not due to technical inability, but
> > misinterpretation of requirements. Perhaps this is why the cert is so
> > valued.
> >
> > Such is life.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Angelo De Guzman
> > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 4:32 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re:Proctor help?
> >
> > hi Alex,
> >
> > Usually if you ask a question in such a way that you demonstrated a
> > clear understanding of the technology you would get a positive response
> > from the proctor. In my experience usually I would ask a question that I
> > already know the answer and see the response of the proctor. Just to
> > check. If you do above and still did not get a positive feedback. As
> > Scott usually quotes during my bootcamp experience, ask the proctor "
> > why do you hate me?" hehe kidding only.
> > Yes it is really better to read the question several times before
> > you ask the proctor. Most of the times if you do this you might answer
> > or even find the solution to your question.
> >
> > Angelo
> >
> > Alex De Gruiter (AU) (10/6/06 12:46 PM):
> >
> >> Hey Guys,
> >>
> >> I've read many, many times on this list people mentioning that the
> >> "proctor is your friend" and if you need clarification the "proctor is
> >> there to help". Well, I recently sat (and failed) the lab exam; I
> >> evidently wasn't as ready for the lab as I thought I was - that's cool,
> >>
> >
> >
> >> I know the areas I need to improve. However I do have a question along
> >> the lines of proctor assistance - or lack thereof.
> >>
> >> Literally every time I asked a question in my lab, I was told "Read the
> >>
> >
> >
> >> question" (a rather redundant activity I thought, given that I was
> >> referencing the question in my line of enquiry!). Now, I don't expect
> >> the proctor to give the answer away, not at all, but I am confused by
> >> comments about how helpful the proctor was. I actually reached a point
> >> with my proctor where I gave up asking questions because I already knew
> >>
> >
> >
> >> the answer: "read the question".
> >>
> >> I can't give concrete examples due to the NDA, however I know for a
> >> fact that there were at least 3 or 4 questions that could be answered
> >> using more than 1 methodology. However the proctor told me, in no
> >> uncertain terms, that he would not assist in my choice. Has anyone had
> >> similar experiences with proctors? In these situations, are we marked
> >> down for choosing a methodology other than the one Cisco expected us to
> >>
> > use?
> >
> >> Alex
> >>
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