From: Alexei Monastyrnyi (alexeim@orcsoftware.com)
Date: Fri Oct 06 2006 - 19:32:15 ART
completely agree... on my first try I didn't ask at all since I felt my
Qs would be off the track, analyzing later I found I was right...
all the other tries (though all failed) proved proctors to be friendly
and helpful with answers... analyzing pitfalls (and it is easy to do
since you remember very well what the questions were) I saw me failed.
not proctor did not open my eyes...
A.
PS all is relative,
hope for the best
be prepared for the worst
Duane Dewitt wrote:
> Hi
>
> If the proctor was telling you to read the question then I would say
> that you were way off in your interpretation of the requirement.
>
> My suggestion - buy more workbooks and prepare more. In a few months
> you'll see the light and understand why the proctor answered that way.
>
> Regards
> Duane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Alex De Gruiter (AU)
> Sent: 06 October 2006 07:25 AM
> To: Brad Ellis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Proctor help? [bcc][faked-from]
>
> Don't get me wrong, as a person I think my proctor was a very nice guy;
> sociable at lunch and before the exam, and I could see myself sharing a
> beer with him if the time and place permitted.
>
> I guess maybe I didn't know how to phrase the question - perhaps due to
> the inexperience of the occasion being my 1st time. It just felt like no
> matter how I asked, I would receive the same answer. I was just
> surprised - on the list so often I have seen grey question areas with a
> response "best to ask the proctor". Unfortunately that advice didn't
> help me! Anyone have advice on structuring a "good" question for the
> proctor?
>
> I think you are right about reading into the question. I'll take note
> for next time, and learn more "Cisco-esque" techniques.
>
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 3:17 PM
> To: Alex De Gruiter (AU); ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Proctor help? [bcc][faked-from]
>
> I personally know quite a few proctors, including the heads of different
> CCIE tracks, and I can tell you that EACH and everyone of them is a good
> person. They are extremely friendly, and very helpful...however, they
> are NOT going to give you the answers! The proctors see lots of
> different candidates at various skill levels. If the first question you
> ask them is not thought out very well, you will likely lose respect of
> the proctor very quickly.
>
> In many cases, if there are multiple ways of doing things, other parts
> of the lab will have an effect on which approach you take - or if not,
> then you need to do things "the Cisco way." :)
>
> A word for the wise - don't read into the question too much. That's a
> huge mistake that I see students make all the time at our boot camps.
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex De Gruiter (AU)" <Alex.deGruiter@didata.com.au>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:14 AM
> Subject: Proctor help? [bcc][faked-from]
>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I've read many, many times on this list people mentioning that the
> "proctor is your friend" and if you need clarification the "proctor is
> there to help". Well, I recently sat (and failed) the lab exam; I
> evidently wasn't as ready for the lab as I thought I was - that's cool,
> I know the areas I need to improve. However I do have a question along
> the lines of proctor assistance - or lack thereof.
>
> Literally every time I asked a question in my lab, I was told "Read the
> question" (a rather redundant activity I thought, given that I was
> referencing the question in my line of enquiry!). Now, I don't expect
> the proctor to give the answer away, not at all, but I am confused by
> comments about how helpful the proctor was. I actually reached a point
> with my proctor where I gave up asking questions because I already knew
> the answer: "read the question".
>
> I can't give concrete examples due to the NDA, however I know for a fact
> that there were at least 3 or 4 questions that could be answered using
> more than 1 methodology. However the proctor told me, in no uncertain
> terms, that he would not assist in my choice. Has anyone had similar
> experiences with proctors? In these situations, are we marked down for
> choosing a methodology other than the one Cisco expected us to use?
>
> Alex
>
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