From: Alex De Gruiter \(AU\) (Alex.deGruiter@didata.com.au)
Date: Fri Oct 06 2006 - 02:57:54 ART
I think Brad was right. I was most likely reading too much into the
question.
Thanks for your input.
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Dewitt [mailto:Duane.Dewitt@za.verizonbusiness.com]
Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 3:51 PM
To: Alex De Gruiter (AU)
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Proctor help? [bcc][faked-from]
Hi
If the proctor was telling you to read the question then I would say
that you were way off in your interpretation of the requirement.
My suggestion - buy more workbooks and prepare more. In a few months
you'll see the light and understand why the proctor answered that way.
Regards
Duane
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Alex De Gruiter (AU)
Sent: 06 October 2006 07:25 AM
To: Brad Ellis
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Proctor help? [bcc][faked-from]
Don't get me wrong, as a person I think my proctor was a very nice guy;
sociable at lunch and before the exam, and I could see myself sharing a
beer with him if the time and place permitted.
I guess maybe I didn't know how to phrase the question - perhaps due to
the inexperience of the occasion being my 1st time. It just felt like no
matter how I asked, I would receive the same answer. I was just
surprised - on the list so often I have seen grey question areas with a
response "best to ask the proctor". Unfortunately that advice didn't
help me! Anyone have advice on structuring a "good" question for the
proctor?
I think you are right about reading into the question. I'll take note
for next time, and learn more "Cisco-esque" techniques.
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 3:17 PM
To: Alex De Gruiter (AU); ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Proctor help? [bcc][faked-from]
I personally know quite a few proctors, including the heads of different
CCIE tracks, and I can tell you that EACH and everyone of them is a good
person. They are extremely friendly, and very helpful...however, they
are NOT going to give you the answers! The proctors see lots of
different candidates at various skill levels. If the first question you
ask them is not thought out very well, you will likely lose respect of
the proctor very quickly.
In many cases, if there are multiple ways of doing things, other parts
of the lab will have an effect on which approach you take - or if not,
then you need to do things "the Cisco way." :)
A word for the wise - don't read into the question too much. That's a
huge mistake that I see students make all the time at our boot camps.
thanks,
Brad Ellis
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex De Gruiter (AU)" <Alex.deGruiter@didata.com.au>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:14 AM
Subject: Proctor help? [bcc][faked-from]
Hey Guys,
I've read many, many times on this list people mentioning that the
"proctor is your friend" and if you need clarification the "proctor is
there to help". Well, I recently sat (and failed) the lab exam; I
evidently wasn't as ready for the lab as I thought I was - that's cool,
I know the areas I need to improve. However I do have a question along
the lines of proctor assistance - or lack thereof.
Literally every time I asked a question in my lab, I was told "Read the
question" (a rather redundant activity I thought, given that I was
referencing the question in my line of enquiry!). Now, I don't expect
the proctor to give the answer away, not at all, but I am confused by
comments about how helpful the proctor was. I actually reached a point
with my proctor where I gave up asking questions because I already knew
the answer: "read the question".
I can't give concrete examples due to the NDA, however I know for a fact
that there were at least 3 or 4 questions that could be answered using
more than 1 methodology. However the proctor told me, in no uncertain
terms, that he would not assist in my choice. Has anyone had similar
experiences with proctors? In these situations, are we marked down for
choosing a methodology other than the one Cisco expected us to use?
Alex
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