From: Wes Stevens (wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Aug 24 2006 - 16:44:40 ART
While I would never go back to working on servers, the experience does make me a better network engineer. Knowing the MS protocols really helps at times to be able to nail down a problem when you have 25 people on a conference call and a critical eBusiness service down. It especially helps when the servers folks cannot find the problem and then blame the network - which happens more often then it should.
Wes Stevens
MCSE (from back in the nt4 days) ccie 11480 and the other certs...
PS how many have loaded up a OS2 box with version 1.2 diskettes. I would say it was a challenge but it was closer to pure pain.....
----- Original Message ----
From: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
To: Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com>; Joshua Lauer <jslauer@hotmail.com>; chris <iannaconec@optonline.net>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:48:07 PM
Subject: RE: CCNA carrer
Hmmm...
I see many Network Engineers / Administrator's with
comparatively little understanding of the other OS's
on the network outside of the IOS.
This is somehow very wrong.
I make a living going to networks, analyzing the
flows, and cleaning up what other "Engineers" have
done before.
I love my MCSE, it gave the momentum to learn these
critical skills.
In fact, even today when my job is mostly dealing with
Cisco Gear, I love the fact that my other skills with
Network Analysis and my MCSE have given me in the
terms of understanding exactly how to deal with almost
any given issue, most of the time.
So for those who did not or could not make much out of
their "lower" certs, my heart bleeds for you.
For those that do and are making something out of
them, I commend you.
Either way, you know who you are, even if your boss or
your peers does not... :)
Anyone who has attained their own MCSE fairly and
through rigorous study and discipline should have
little problem excelling in the field and are probably
excellent candidates for Cisco and Juniper certs.
Look at most of the people here, aside from those who
are strictly came from the Telecom world, mostly all
have MCSE or CNE, etc behind their name.
Think about it.
A strong CCNA is better than a weak CCNP. Think about
that one as well.
--- Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> I'd agree with Joshua. While perhaps not as
> marketable, I do get to laugh a
> number of times at CCIE folks who look to grandiose
> solutions for very
> simple problems because they don't understand stuff
> like Layer 1 problems,
> or MS/Novell/whatever operating system client/server
> issues.
>
> Being well rounded is never a bad idea. Don't sell
> any of the other certs
> short. CCNA/NP is a different path, but certainly
> not wasted time in terms
> of making yourself a better engineer.
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> IPExpert VP - Curriculum Development
> IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> smorris@ipexpert.com
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
> (plus MCSE, plus (expired) CNE, plus CTP, plus CCNA,
> plus CCNP, plus CCDP,
> plus a bunch of other stuff)
>
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joshua Lauer
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:56 PM
> To: chris; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCNA carrer
>
> Back when the CCIE was the only certification you
> could get maybe this makes
> sense. However starting from the ground up makes
> more sense, why not get a
> good base and build your way up the pyramid?
>
> You'll have gaps in your knowledge if you dont get a
> good base. In my view,
> being a CCIE is more than knowing about protocols
> and being able to find
> things on the DOC CD.
>
> I wouldnt say that MCSE or COMPTIA certs are jokes,
> maybe to some people.
> But others have to start somewhere, might as well be
> there. Many people
> (including myself) started at MCSE and graduated
> along the path.
>
> jl
>
>
> Joshua Lauer
>
> CCIE#16024
>
> CCNP, CCSP, CCDP, CCIP, INFOSEC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris" <iannaconec@optonline.net>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:59 AM
> Subject: CCNA carrer
>
>
> > Why go for CCNA or CCNP jump in with both feet and
>
> > go for the CCIE - learn all you can about the
> > protocols and become expert at finding things on
> > the documentation cd - You should be able to find
> > any given topic within ten minutes. comptia and
> > MCSE is a joke as far as employability , IMO
> >
>
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