From: Mark Lasarko (mlasarko@co.ba.md.us)
Date: Tue Aug 08 2006 - 08:02:39 ART
Less like a membership fee, more like an APR?
One would pay over time in toil and
self-imposed troubles...
I have to ask: Will there be a written exam
to become eligible for this 12-step program?
>>> "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com> 08/07/06 8:35 PM >>>
I think it's more like a mortgage for all the "associated" costs. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
David Mann
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:17 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: R&S Lab Difficulty
"Don't get TOO addicted or you'll do something weird and end up in a
12-step program for IE's. :) (I'm thinking of starting one!)"
That's too funny. Especially after a day like I had today. Thanks for the
laugh.
So when I sign up for this 12 step program do I have to submit a credit
application for the up and coming test :)
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'Bizzell, Keith'" <keith.bizzell@eds.com>; "'D.H. Williams'"
<draythw@gmail.com>
Cc: "'David Mann'" <dmann73702@elmore.rr.com>; "'Joshua Lauer'"
<jslauer@hotmail.com>; "'Bill Wagner'" <billccie2b@hotmail.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: R&S Lab Difficulty
> I'm just looking to form it. Every cause needs a poster-child, but I
> am clearly not a "cured" story. :)
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Bizzell, Keith
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:02 AM
> To: D.H. Williams; Scott Morris
> Cc: David Mann; Joshua Lauer; Bill Wagner; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: R&S Lab Difficulty
>
> Scott, I'm afraid you wouldn't be a good success model for an IE
> 12-step...unless you're talking about FORMING an addiction to it! ;)
> (and you're still EVIL)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of D.H.
> Williams
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:35 AM
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: David Mann; Joshua Lauer; Bill Wagner; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: R&S Lab Difficulty
>
> Scott, you would make a killing!
>
> On 8/6/06, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>>
>> Don't get TOO addicted or you'll do something weird and end up in a
>> 12-step
>> program for IE's. :) (I'm thinking of starting one!)
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of David Mann
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:08 PM
>> To: Joshua Lauer; Bill Wagner; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: R&S Lab Difficulty
>>
>> I felt confident last time that I had a chance of passing even though
>> I had not attempted several sections. I was that sure I had gotten my
>> core next to perfect. Anyway, I have on both attempts felt very
>> comfortable and never stressed out. Thank the lord for that.
>>
>> I have had practice labs that were more convoluted than the real lab
>> but not necessarly harder. I was just stating that my second attempt
>> seemed harder.
>>
>> I have to say that thru out this process it has given me an even
>> moreso reason for the respect I pay to those that have finished this
> beast.
>>
>> I can't wait until my next attempt. I think I'm getting addicted to
>> taking the lab :-)
>>
>> David
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lauer" <jslauer@hotmail.com>
>> To: "David Mann" <dmann73702@elmore.rr.com>; "Bill Wagner"
>> <billccie2b@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 2:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: R&S Lab Difficulty
>>
>>
>> > You'll know when your gonna do it is my take on the whole thing. I
>> wouldnt
>>
>> > get wrapped around the axel about which vendors practice labs are
>> > "harder", when you know the fundamentals you know them no matter
>> > what practice lab book you use. Buy them all and you'll see, like
>> > people
>> they
>> > are all different and have a different swing on the way they
>> > present
>
>> > things.
>> >
>> >
>> > I wasnt ready my first two attempts. My third attempt I felt I was
>> > ready but I didnt pay attention to detail and thus, failed. My
>> > forth
>
>> > and final attempt I not only was more ready I also relaxed, and
>> > finished 2 hours early and passed. I dont think the CCIE lab is out
>> > to fail you, it's
>> just
>> > freaking hard. You'll get your number soon!
>> >
>> >
>> > jl
>> >
>> >
>> > Joshua Lauer
>> >
>> > CCIE#16024
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "David Mann" <dmann73702@elmore.rr.com>
>> > To: "Bill Wagner" <billccie2b@hotmail.com>;
>> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 2:13 PM
>> > Subject: Re: R&S Lab Difficulty
>> >
>> >
>> >>I have failed twice now, May 8th and July 24th. I felt that I was
>> >>very prepared my last time but my score report said otherwise.
>> >> I do feel that my last exam was harder. I know the topics but must
>> >>be misunderstanding the questions. I will say that I will not
>> >>have
>
>> >>the weak points I currently have when I sit it again.
>> >>
>> >> I have used Ipexpert and am working thru Doit labs.
>> >> Have you rescheduled? Whats your approach?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Bill Wagner" <billccie2b@hotmail.com>
>> >> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:29 PM
>> >> Subject: R&S Lab Difficulty
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi guys, I am trying to get a handle on the R&S Lab difficulty.
>> >>> Not
>> long
>> >>> ago I attempted the lab and came up short. I had done quite a
>> >>> number
>> of
>> >>> full practice labs (around 40) and felt that I was fairly strong
>> >>> with them. To be sure I wasn't cheating myself somehow I
>> >>> attempted
>
>> >>> a mock
>> lab
>> >>> and did really well on it. From reading this message board for
>> sometime
>> >>> I
>> >>> noticed many people say that the actual lab was a lot easier than
>> >>> the practice labs and in one case someone said 3-5 times easier.
>> >>> Well without disclosing any information I can honestly say that
>> >>> the real lab I took was more difficult than any other practice
>> >>> labs I had attempted prior.
>> >>> Now I haven't been someone who came into this thinking that I
>> >>> knew
>
>> >>> so much that I only needed to pump out some practice
>> >>> labs,memorize
>
>> >>> some scenarios, and learn the "advanced content". Instead I took
>> >>> the ground up approach to build a strong foundation by
>> >>> understanding the technology.
>> >>> Well after recently failing the lab I am somewhat humbled and am
>> trying
>> >>> to get an understanding of where I stand. Part of me believes
>> >>> that
>
>> >>> I
>> got
>> >>> a difficult test, but then another part of me thinks that maybe I
>> >>> am
>> not
>> >>> as ready as I thought I was. The thing is that it seems hard to
>> >>> gauge
>> so
>> >>> I need to come to the group for some answers. Now if some how or
>> >>> some way this is in violation of the NDA please disregard it and
>> >>> do not answer it, but I don't think this will break the NDA so
>> >>> here they are. My
>> questions
>> >>> for anyone who has taken the lab or taken it mutiple times is: 1.
>> >>> Did the actual test seem more difficult than the labs or was it
>> >>> the other way around? If so what material did you use to prepare
>> >>> with. 2. Did anyone who has attempted multiple labs feel that any
>> >>> labs were easier than others or did they all seem about the same
>> >>> difficulty? 3. What is a
>> good
>> >>> way to guage if you are ready or not? I am open to any ideas at
>> >>> all. I would rather be overprepared than underprepared, but where
>> >>> that line
>> is
>> >>> at I don't know. 4. Does anyone feel that the lab is out to fail
> you?
>> By
>> >>> this I mean after seeing the Cisco facility in SJC I was
>> >>> extreemly
>
>> >>> impressed with the facility. It was beautiful, but when I sat
>> >>> down
>
>> >>> at
>> my
>> >>> workstation I thought that there was some kind of mistake. The
>> keyboard
>> >>> looked like it belonged in a museum. It was really dirty and had
>> >>> the
>> big
>> >>> enter key so everytime you try to hit backspace you hit enter.
>> >>> The
>> pipe
>> >>> key was tiny and not where it belongs. The right click button on
>> >>> the mouse did not work and the scroll wheel did not move the
>> >>> terminal
>> window
>> >>> but instead would move through previous commands in the history.
>> >>> Also
>> if
>> >>> the scroll wheel was not in the exact right spot when you tried
>> >>> to
>
>> >>> highlight text from the terminal window the screen would jump and
>> >>> highlight 3 lines instead of the one you wanted. In addition the
>> monitor
>> >>> was not very good, although at least it worked. My friend said
>> >>> that
>> the
>> >>> insert key was broken on his keyboard, and I couldn't use the
>> >>> default (ALT E
>> >>> P) quick key paste function from Secure CRT. Even notepad was
>> >>> hidden
>> way
>> >>> off to the side of the quick key bar. Although this might seem
>> trivial
>> >>> it really throws you off if you are not used to it. I think that
>> perhaps
>> >>> this is all done to slow you down, however I could be wrong.
>> >>> Anyway if anyone has input I would really appreciate it. Thanks,
>> >>> Bill
>> >>>
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