From: m destienne (mdestienne@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat May 20 2006 - 20:02:59 ART
pls move on...
--- darbyweaver@yahoo.com wrote:
> Since I have yet to take the lab, I cannot say that
> with 100% certainty.
>
> However, by reading some of the questions asked,
> comparing them to the various lab workbooks (I've
> had
> some subscriptions for years now) and noting that
> the
> questions asked are sometimes similar but perhaps
> with
> a bit of a twist here and there, I would be tempted
> to
> say - I think so.
>
> Especially when you notice that the guys who tend to
> ask those "twisty" questions had either just been to
> a
> lab or when they eventually pass they tend to
> mention
> certain things (either how many times and when,
> etc.).
>
> Do some research and check it out.
>
> I noticed the pattern as I was trying to figure out
> how many ways something could be done for certain
> topics I am/was struggling with.
>
> A interesting theory, but disturbing when I saw one
> guy who once called me about a job at Cisco (and
> happens to be a Cisco Press author as well), asking
> these kinds of questions this past year. My jaw
> nearly hit the floor.
>
> It sucks to want something so bad, that you defeat
> the
> purpose of attaing it in the first place.
>
> I like to think that the CCIE is a journey towards
> perfecting one's knowledge, but never really
> attaining
> it 100%, since there is always something new...
>
> Just me...
>
> Others may have different aspirations.
>
> I take my first attempt in about 3 weeks from now
> (more or less) and if I do not pass on the first
> try,
> it will not kill me, my income is aleady in the 90+
> range, I live in a comfortable house that has gained
> a
> lot of equity over the past two years, I have two
> late-model vehicles that are in great shape, and I
> work at a job that I have nearly total autonomy and
> am
> looked to as the top techie on premise and am often
> consulted by both GE and NBC, parent companies. I
> am
> not complaining.
>
> I actually enjoy the quest for knowledge and I'd do
> and am doing it even though there may not be an
> immediate gain once I attain my digits. I do seek
> the
> self-satisfaction that getting it any other way than
> by trial and error, reading, and "blood, sweat, and
> tears", are actually needed to make it more valuable
> to
> me.
>
> I'm an MCSE (plus a few letters) and an MCT and they
> have value for me, since I earned them. It once
> broke
> my heart to see an MCSE say to me once that he was
> an
> MCSE and looked down in shame... This was the worst
> thing about the quick and dirty certification game
> I'd
> ever seen.
>
> I have met many CCIE's (sad to say) who can fit
> nearly
> in the same category. I've only known a handful of
> Quality CCIE's perhaps a score or so. Sad.
>
> I also worked with a CCNP once, who did not feel he
> had earned the title and admitted it was only a
> piece
> of paper to him... Sad part is he had no reason to
> cut short the process.
>
> It is now nearly 4 years later and he is doing a lot
> of VoIP work and the contractors are no longer
> needed,
> he is a CCNP and if anything probably a strong CCVP
> at
> heart if not on paper yet.
>
> My compliments to Johnny, he has earned it... Lots
> of sweat and lots of work and he has always come
> through... So if you ever here some ask Who's HSU,
> you'll get the idea... :)
>
> See my point?
>
>
> Devaluation of the CCIE Credential does not come
> from having too many in terms of number of
> individuals certified, it happens when those numbers
> are watered down by people who cannot do the job,
> who have not taken the time to understand the
> essentials of what is required to be a true "Quality
> Network Professional" and this my friends is what
> the CCIE means to most of us here.
>
> BTW - The CCIE Author who may or may not have
> challenged his integrity may or may not read this...
> But I would guess you know who you are...
>
> There are others...
>
>
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