From: Joshua Lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat May 20 2006 - 10:02:42 ART
I think he has some good points, if in a round-about
fashion :)
My thoughts, the CCIE cert is not in a downward
spiral by any means. Just go to D.C., job's
everywhere and they all pay over 100-115k, even more
if you have a clearance in some instances.
The CCIE isnt going on the same route as the MCSE,
Cisco wont let it. Cisco's cert program is by and
far the best one out there. It's a main part of
their business model, the cant afford to let it
slack.
I've met CCIE certified individuals that were not
quite up to par in MY view. That's their problem,
they are indeed the chosen few. They choose to NOT
learn more after they get the certification. It's a
learning process that even continues after you gain
your number.
I had an MCSE and many others at one time, I let
them lapse. I'm not shameful of it, the MCSE was
another learning step in my training. I just chose
to not pursue that avenue any more.
I try to not analyze too much, makes your head hurt
and doesnt leave space for all that good networking
knowledge that needs to be sucked up!
It's all good!
josh
CCIE#16024
CCNP, CCDP, CCSP, CCIP, RHCE, INFOSEC
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Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:37 AM
Subject: RE: Is anyone still in severe denial?
> To darbyweaver@yahoo.com
>
> Do you have a point have you read your own
> postings ?...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> darbyweaver@yahoo.com
> Sent: Saturday, 20 May 2006 5:05 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Is anyone still in severe denial?
>
> Since I have yet to take the lab, I cannot say
> that
> with 100% certainty.
>
> However, by reading some of the questions asked,
> comparing them to the various lab workbooks (I've
> had
> some subscriptions for years now) and noting that
> the
> questions asked are sometimes similar but perhaps
> with
> a bit of a twist here and there, I would be
> tempted to
> say - I think so.
>
> Especially when you notice that the guys who tend
> to
> ask those "twisty" questions had either just been
> to a
> lab or when they eventually pass they tend to
> mention
> certain things (either how many times and when,
> etc.).
>
> Do some research and check it out.
>
> I noticed the pattern as I was trying to figure
> out
> how many ways something could be done for certain
> topics I am/was struggling with.
>
> A interesting theory, but disturbing when I saw
> one
> guy who once called me about a job at Cisco (and
> happens to be a Cisco Press author as well),
> asking
> these kinds of questions this past year. My jaw
> nearly hit the floor.
>
> It sucks to want something so bad, that you defeat
> the
> purpose of attaing it in the first place.
>
> I like to think that the CCIE is a journey towards
> perfecting one's knowledge, but never really
> attaining
> it 100%, since there is always something new...
>
> Just me...
>
> Others may have different aspirations.
>
> I take my first attempt in about 3 weeks from now
> (more or less) and if I do not pass on the first
> try,
> it will not kill me, my income is aleady in the
> 90+
> range, I live in a comfortable house that has
> gained a
> lot of equity over the past two years, I have two
> late-model vehicles that are in great shape, and I
> work at a job that I have nearly total autonomy
> and am
> looked to as the top techie on premise and am
> often
> consulted by both GE and NBC, parent companies. I
> am
> not complaining.
>
> I actually enjoy the quest for knowledge and I'd
> do
> and am doing it even though there may not be an
> immediate gain once I attain my digits. I do seek
> the
> self-satisfaction that getting it any other way
> than
> by trial and error, reading, and "blood, sweat,
> and
> tears", are actually needed to make it more
> valuable to
> me.
>
> I'm an MCSE (plus a few letters) and an MCT and
> they
> have value for me, since I earned them. It once
> broke
> my heart to see an MCSE say to me once that he was
> an
> MCSE and looked down in shame... This was the
> worst
> thing about the quick and dirty certification game
> I'd
> ever seen.
>
> I have met many CCIE's (sad to say) who can fit
> nearly
> in the same category. I've only known a handful
> of
> Quality CCIE's perhaps a score or so. Sad.
>
> I also worked with a CCNP once, who did not feel
> he
> had earned the title and admitted it was only a
> piece
> of paper to him... Sad part is he had no reason
> to
> cut short the process.
>
> It is now nearly 4 years later and he is doing a
> lot
> of VoIP work and the contractors are no longer
> needed,
> he is a CCNP and if anything probably a strong
> CCVP at
> heart if not on paper yet.
>
> My compliments to Johnny, he has earned it...
> Lots of sweat and lots of
> work and he has always come through... So if you
> ever here some ask Who's
> HSU, you'll get the idea... :)
>
> See my point?
>
>
> Devaluation of the CCIE Credential does not come
> from having too many in
> terms of number of individuals certified, it
> happens when those numbers are
> watered down by people who cannot do the job, who
> have not taken the time to
> understand the essentials of what is required to
> be a true "Quality Network
> Professional" and this my friends is what the CCIE
> means to most of us here.
>
> BTW - The CCIE Author who may or may not have
> challenged his integrity may
> or may not read this... But I would guess you know
> who you are...
>
> There are others...
>
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