From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Mon May 08 2006 - 22:43:37 ART
Hehehe... Sometimes (like in practice labs) the "typos" are intentional to
lead you down a path of neighbors not working.
Unfortunately, I can't really give any more details on what the lab may
really be wanting without actually seeing how things are worded
specifically! My best suggestion is to look at what is given to you and
then ask the proctor. But when you start your lab, the first thing you
should be doing is reading the ENTIRE lab, so that you get the overall
feeling and notice any general instructions (like all links are /24).
Don't sit there and debate with yourself though, or compare things to any
practice lab you've done! If it's not relatively clear, ask the proctor!
They aren't out to deliver impossible exams! :)
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI
IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
smorris@ipexpert.com
http://www.ipexpert.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Godswill Oletu
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 9:49 PM
To: george stanza; swm@emanon.com
Cc: Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Trouble shooting questions in the lab exam !!
Scott,
Still on this troubleshooting stuff, when there is a discrepancy, which
should one use; what is on the diagram provided in the lab or what is
pre-configured on the router?
Is it not posible to find a particular interface assigned a different ip
address on the Diagram than what is actually pre-configured on the router? I
have found things similar to this in some of the commercial Lab workbooks,
however in those cases, the usual instruction goes like this:
"Configure the Frame Relay hub and spoke network between R1, R2 & R3 as
shown in the diagram; R3 should be the hub of the Frame Relay network. R1,
R2 & R3 should be able to ping each other, do not use inverse ARP or
subinterfaces to accomplish this task.
And when you login to the pods, you will discover that one or a few IP
addresses are either missing, or wrong or have a mask different from the
ones shown on the diagram. It is easier to spot difference like these when
the ip address is missing, but it is a little less obvious if all the ip
addresses are pre-configured, but one or two have a mask of /23 and the
diagram show a mask of /24 for all the interfaces.
A casual reader operating under the adrenalin rush of the CCIE Lab will look
at that statement and think it is business as usual and the major picture
and image that will be flowing through his/her mind will be-> "frame-relay
map ip <ip address> <dlci> broadcast" & "no frame-relay inverse-arp" and
one will not realize the hiden sinister motive behind that simple and
innocent looking phrase "As shown in the diagram". If R1 & R2 are using a
/24 mask and R3 is pre-configured to use a /23 mask, but the diagram
indicates that it should be /24. If one configure the frame relay network
with the pre-configured ip addresses, the frame relay network will come up
fine and there will end-to-end connectivity, and one will move on, thinking
--- "That was an easy 4 pointer; Show Frame-relay map was active and I was
able to ping end to end.....".
Should one assume that the diagram wins all the time? I am thinking that,
since the intention behind scenarios like these is to see if one is paying
attention to detail, which is part of the exam, you might not get any
favorable indicator from the proctor, even if you ask a nicely constructed
question like the one below, just like we have been schooled here at
groupstudy to ask our proctor.
"I can configure Interface Serial0/0/0 of Router 3 in two possible ways;
(1.) I can use the IP address provided with the lab diagram or (2.) I can
use the IP address pre-configured on the Router, which one will you prefer?"
My guess is, the answer will be either you will be ignore, or be told to use
whichever one your Lab told you to use.
Or are mine over thinking this?
Thanks.
Godswill Oletu
----- Original Message -----
From: "george stanza" <cert2006@gmail.com>
To: <swm@emanon.com>
Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble shooting questions in the lab exam !!
> thx for the input Scott and others...
>
> //G
>
>
> On 5/6/06, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would think it safe to say that those who have been through the exam
> > really aren't allowed to answer this question.
> >
> > However, I'd also think it safe to look at the whole idea of
> > troubleshooting
> > is that things aren't working right. :) So something in your
> > pre-configurated pod (diagrams, addressing, etc.) isn't correct. So
look
> > through everything, and look at what the exam says SHOULD be working and
> > then figure out what is not working.
> >
> > Ping directly connected interfaces right away. If you can't, something
> > isn't there yet (or is done wrong). While you won't have the extent of
> > troubleshooting that some of us had many years ago (It was fun!), I
would
> > still think that anything you are given ahead of time could potentially
> > not
> > be correct. So use the tools that you have available to you (show
> > commands,
> > debug commands, ping, traceroute, sh cdp n, etc.) and see what's up.
> >
> > If they put something in the exam scenario, that may not be all you have
> > to
> > do! I would be well versed in troubleshooting, because regardless of
what
> > they ask, you'll have what I call "self-induced troubleshooting" as well
> > (things you screw up all on your own!)... :)
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
JNCIE
> > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI
> > IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
> > IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > george stanza
> > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:25 AM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: Trouble shooting questions in the lab exam !!
> >
> > hello all,
> >
> > I am hearing that the new CCIE lab exams introudces some trouble
shooting
> > tasks. Do you know what type of questions are asked. What areas the
> > questions are focused on majorly..and what is the complexity of these
> > trouble shooting questions..
> > Also how many trouble shooting questions are asked..
> >
> > Appreciate any pointers..
> >
> > //G
> >
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