From: Joshua Lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Apr 29 2006 - 04:22:31 GMT-3
I think you have some pretty valid points. As for
the workbooks, I had/have just about all of them
With the exception of probably NLI. I didn't have
any major issues with them that I couldn't work
around and nothing that kept me from sleeping at
night.
The rules do state people need to have passed their
written. That said I don't have a major issue with
those that have not, as long as they stay hidden and
learn something before they make that first post.
There are those on this board that do not have even
a the equivalent knowledge of a CCNA and cant log
into a router. Those are the people I have issues
with when they ask questions like "how do I
configure rip" or something along those lines. what
can you do ? Just let out a big sign, cuss a little
bit....and move on :) I mean, along with the study
aspect of the board, it also does provide some
serious entertainment value as well!
Joshua Lauer
CCIE#16024
CCNP, CCDP, CCSP, CCIP, RHCE, INFOSEC
----- Original Message -----
From: "ccie6705" <ccie6705@geordiepride.com>
To: "'Scott Morris'" <swm@emanon.com>; "'Michael
Yang'" <yangm241@yahoo.com>;
<security@groupstudy.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: People on the list....
> Scott I truly value your opinion, and I stand in
> awe at what you have done
> and achieved, I'm not trying to criticize you in
> anyway however that said
> there are a few things I would like to point out
> that I feel are incorrect
> with your post.
>
> I seem to remember when I signed up for the group
> there were 2 pre
> requisites they may have changed since I joined
> but when I signed up this is
> what they were,
>
> First you should have passed the written exam and
> second you should be
> preparing for the CCIE lab exam.
>
> I'm not saying anyone should be banned, booted or
> asked to leave, I'm just
> pointing out what the rules were when I joined the
> group. I understand some
> folks join and lurk but without question this
> group has been used on
> numerous occasions as a market place for IPExpert
> products, from both the
> consumers and also from the folks selling the
> product, if from nothing else
> but there email signatures alone on every reply
> they post promote the
> product. I have not seen the same type of
> "marketing" for want of a better
> expression from any of the other Lab sellers such
> as NLI, Trinet, Hello
> computers or any of the other guys out there.
>
> I am one of folks who felt a little aggrieved with
> the IPExpert product,
> mainly due to lack of what I would consider to be
> full labs, but that was my
> fault I should have read the product details
> better we live and learn. I
> only found out about IPExpert products through
> this group and have seen this
> group used on numerous occasions as a market place
> for the IPExpert labs. If
> folks are going to use a medium to sell a product
> then they should also take
> any negatives they get from that same market
> place, which I believe they
> have done admirably and I look forward to seeing
> them make good on there
> promises.
>
> Perhaps if Wayne and his crew maybe toned down
> there email signatures and
> there apparent need to push IPExpert products down
> our throats at every
> opportunity then get maybe they may have not
> suffered so much this past
> week. I remind you all this is a study group, let
> the folks who are studying
> sell your products for you, and I would ask
> IPexpert and anyone else out
> there to please remember that. To those who seem
> to think its something
> different and use it as a free marketplace to push
> their products then
> perhaps they need to remember why most of the
> members of this group are here
> because as the sign up rules state we have all
> passed our written exams and
> are studying for the CCIE lab exam and we dont
> have time for this crap to
> continuously rumble on and on.
>
>
> Shaun Nicholson CCIE 6705
> CCNP, CCSP, INFOSEC, JNCIA-M
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:55 PM
> To: 'Michael Yang'; security@groupstudy.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: People on the list....
>
> There are many people on this list who never
> actually contribute (we call
> them lurkers). Does that make them any more or
> less able to be here?
>
> There are many messages we tend to see that may or
> may not appeal to our
> interests (such as all those "REAL" CCIE lab
> exams).
>
> What do you do to those? I don't recall you
> replying to each and every one
> of them. Matt is giving a valid response to
> customer concerns and is NOT
> using the list to do marketing. Leave it alone,
> and let the thread die if
> you don't like what it's saying.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Yang
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:02 PM
> To: security@groupstudy.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Opinion about IPExpert Workbook
>
> Mr. Brooks-why are you on this list? You are the
> VP of sales and business
> development for IPExpert. In your email you state:
>
> "Paul (Group Study's owner) and I have talked
> extensively and I know it is
> his desire and the purpose of GS that threads
> pertain to technical
> discussions that every subscriber can relate to."
>
> I looked at the archives and noticed you have
> NEVER added anything technical
> of any content to this list. I think the group
> study owner should remove you
> from the list. It looks like this list is for
> technical people and not for
> marketing people! You should do the right thing
> and unsubsribe yourself from
> this list and stop wasting our bandwidth on your
> marketing spew.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Brooks
> at IPexpert"
> <matt@ipexpert.com> To: "'Jason Wist'"
> <Jason.Wist@lvs1.com>; "'Jens
> Petter'" <jenseike@start.no>; "'Wayne Lawson'"
> <wayne@ipexpert.com>;
> "'ccie16081'" <ccie16081@yahoo.com>;
> <security@groupstudy.com> Cc:
> <smorris@ipexpert.com> Sent: Monday, April 24,
> 2006 1:10 AM Subject: RE:
> Opinion about IPExpert Workbook > > Hello, all.
> > Thanks for the
> exchange, as positive comments and constructive
> criticism both help us to
> improve. However, Group Study is not the place
> for the thread. > Paul
> (Group Study's owner) and I have talked
> extensively and I know it is his
> desire and the purpose of GS that threads pertain
> to technical
> discussions that every subscriber can relate to.
> All vendors have their own
> sales websites and support outlets. Participating
> vendors *should* direct
> customers to their own lists for support issues,
> rather than use Paul's
> bandwidth for free, but I digress... > I can
> assure
> those interested that we will be looking into the
> specific product and
> customer service issues tomorrow and throughout
> this week. In the
> meantime, to be sure there are no lost emails or
> other communication
> problems, I offer you my own cell phone number -
> 810.434.7447 - which I
> carry with me more than I should. ;) > Thanks
> for your patience and
> willingness to help us improve! > Matt Brooks
> IPexpert, Inc. VP Sales &
> Business Development +1.810.326.1444 x101 -
> http://www.IPexpert.com > >
> -----Original Message----- From: Jason Wist
> [mailto:Jason.Wist@lvs1.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:30 PM To: Jens
> Petter; Wayne Lawson;
> ccie16081; security@groupstudy.com Cc: Matt
> Brooks at IPexpert;
> smorris@ipexpert.com Subject: RE: Opinion about
> IPExpert Workbook >
> Here's my $.02. I will start off by stating that
> I attended an IPExpert
> Bootcamp back in January of this year, and without
> disclosing any details,
> I requested my money back due to very poor
> instruction. I must state
> that Wayne was very apologetic and took care of my
> refund after hearing my
> problems with the instruction. He was
> understanding and very reasonable in
> dealing with the problems I had experienced.
> Although this did not help me
> in my efforts to pass (failed my 1st attempt 3
> weeks after the bootcamp),
> I found he was accessible and willing to reason
> with the situation. > I
> believe that no matter what product you purchase
> there will be errors and
> we as students have to identify them and raise
> them to the attention of the
> vendor. I understand that this has been done, I
> just thought I should
> share my experience. > Regards, > JW >
> ________________________________ > From:
> nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf
> of Jens Petter Sent: Sun 23/04/2006 11:32 AM To:
> 'Wayne Lawson';
> 'ccie16081'; security@groupstudy.com Cc: 'Matt
> Brooks at IPexpert';
> smorris@ipexpert.com Subject: RE: Opinion about
> IPExpert Workbook > > >
> Hey WAYNE... this is
> not my buisniss but when you call people liers
> then I need to say
> something > Why do you call him a lier... He is
> totally right about that
> workbook... Man you are never able to take
> criticism about your
> products... he is not lying.. I also remember you
> (ipexpert)promised ver 2
> of the security book just after they had changed
> the lab that year(2003)
> and he is right the book came last year... so he
> is totally telling the
> truth.... > You should rather look at your
> customer service, and you say
> if you have any complaints contact you and
> matt... man you can wrote you
> guys 10 mails before you answers the mail >
> > -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Wayne Lawson Sent: 23. april 2006 17:34 To:
> 'ccie16081';
> security@groupstudy.com Cc: 'Matt Brooks at
> IPexpert'; smorris@ipexpert.com
> Subject: RE: Opinion about IPExpert Workbook >
> 16081 - Who are you? Your
> statements are outright lies - if you
> have any complaints or issues, please contact
> me - or our VP of Sales,
> Matt Brooks directly. > Thank you for choosing
> IPexpert!, Wayne A.
> Lawson II Founder, President & CCIE #5244 -
> IPexpert, Inc. >
> -----Original Message----- From:
> nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> ccie16081 Sent: Saturday,
> April 22, 2006 8:15 PM To:
> security@groupstudy.com Subject: Opinion about
> IPExpert Workbook > Here is my opinions about
> the IPExpert workbook: >
> I purchased the first IPExpert Workbook version
> 1.0 back in July 2003 for
> $499. The book had a lot of errors in it that it
> was not even funny. In
> other words, the material is a piece of crap,
> completely useless. I
> contacted IPExpert in August 2003 and spoke
> directly with Wayne Larson.
> Wayne assured me that IPExpert will come out with
> IPExpert 2.0 in Septemter
> that will fix a lot of errors in version 1.0.
> Not only that, they will
> send me a free upgrade of the IPExpert 2.0
> workbook. Wayne sound believable on the phone
> when I talked him. > It
> turned out that he just outright lied to me about
> the version 2.0 . I do
> not think version 2.0 was released until late in
> 2004 or perhap 2005.
> They did not even bother send me verion 2.0
> workbook which I found to be
> in-excusable, it is just bad business from
> IPExpert. Not only that, the
> materials in the workbook are so bad and will not
> help anyone preparing for
> the Security lab. At least, that's how I feel
> about it. > I think the
> folks at IPExpert are a bunch of crooks. They put
> out a shitty product
> called IPExpert Workbook to screw honest consumers
> like you and me. I
> would never buy anything from them again. It
> seems like everytime people
> complained about the IPExpert Workbook, I see
> emails from People at
> IPexpert defending it by saying that the workbook
> is going through a
> revamp. Yeah right, you guys have been saying
> that crap since 2003. For
> me $499 is not a big
> deal because I can afford it but I know for a
> lot of folks in this forum
> who has to pay their own lab equpipments, rack
> time, lab fee and air fair,
> $499 is a big deal for them. It is not right
> for IPExpert to rip them
> off like that. > I did not use hello computers
> or TriNet workbooks so
> that I can not comment on them but I can
> definitely say with 100%
> conviction that purchasing IPExpert Workbook is a
> completely waste of
> money. > That's my 2c. > CCIE16081 > >
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