From: Michael Yang (yangm241@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Apr 29 2006 - 00:22:27 GMT-3
Shaun I have been a lurker since I joined this list almost eight months ago. I do not have much time to post but I enjoy reading other's posts and responses. I just could not keep my mouth shut when I start seeing sales people start posting on this list. It's a waste of bandwidth and my time.
Has Matt passed his written exam? He is studying for the lab exam? NO! I read the rules to be on the lab lists and it clearly states you must have passed the written exam and/or be a CCIE. I think that Matt and any other sales/marketing types should be removed from the list immediately. Why should he be exempt from the rules? Let us get back to studying and stop playing marketing games.
ccie6705 <ccie6705@geordiepride.com> wrote:
Scott I truly value your opinion, and I stand in awe at what you have done
and achieved, I'm not trying to criticize you in anyway however that said
there are a few things I would like to point out that I feel are incorrect
with your post.
I seem to remember when I signed up for the group there were 2 pre
requisites they may have changed since I joined but when I signed up this is
what they were,
First you should have passed the written exam and second you should be
preparing for the CCIE lab exam.
I'm not saying anyone should be banned, booted or asked to leave, I'm just
pointing out what the rules were when I joined the group. I understand some
folks join and lurk but without question this group has been used on
numerous occasions as a market place for IPExpert products, from both the
consumers and also from the folks selling the product, if from nothing else
but there email signatures alone on every reply they post promote the
product. I have not seen the same type of "marketing" for want of a better
expression from any of the other Lab sellers such as NLI, Trinet, Hello
computers or any of the other guys out there.
I am one of folks who felt a little aggrieved with the IPExpert product,
mainly due to lack of what I would consider to be full labs, but that was my
fault I should have read the product details better we live and learn. I
only found out about IPExpert products through this group and have seen this
group used on numerous occasions as a market place for the IPExpert labs. If
folks are going to use a medium to sell a product then they should also take
any negatives they get from that same market place, which I believe they
have done admirably and I look forward to seeing them make good on there
promises.
Perhaps if Wayne and his crew maybe toned down there email signatures and
there apparent need to push IPExpert products down our throats at every
opportunity then get maybe they may have not suffered so much this past
week. I remind you all this is a study group, let the folks who are studying
sell your products for you, and I would ask IPexpert and anyone else out
there to please remember that. To those who seem to think its something
different and use it as a free marketplace to push their products then
perhaps they need to remember why most of the members of this group are here
because as the sign up rules state we have all passed our written exams and
are studying for the CCIE lab exam and we dont have time for this crap to
continuously rumble on and on.
Shaun Nicholson CCIE 6705
CCNP, CCSP, INFOSEC, JNCIA-M
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:55 PM
To: 'Michael Yang'; security@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: People on the list....
There are many people on this list who never actually contribute (we call
them lurkers). Does that make them any more or less able to be here?
There are many messages we tend to see that may or may not appeal to our
interests (such as all those "REAL" CCIE lab exams).
What do you do to those? I don't recall you replying to each and every one
of them. Matt is giving a valid response to customer concerns and is NOT
using the list to do marketing. Leave it alone, and let the thread die if
you don't like what it's saying.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Yang
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:02 PM
To: security@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Opinion about IPExpert Workbook
Mr. Brooks-why are you on this list? You are the VP of sales and business
development for IPExpert. In your email you state:
"Paul (Group Study's owner) and I have talked extensively and I know it is
his desire and the purpose of GS that threads pertain to technical
discussions that every subscriber can relate to."
I looked at the archives and noticed you have NEVER added anything technical
of any content to this list. I think the group study owner should remove you
from the list. It looks like this list is for technical people and not for
marketing people! You should do the right thing and unsubsribe yourself from
this list and stop wasting our bandwidth on your marketing spew.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Brooks at IPexpert"
To: "'Jason Wist'" ; "'Jens
Petter'" ; "'Wayne Lawson'" ;
"'ccie16081'" ; Cc:
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:10 AM Subject: RE:
Opinion about IPExpert Workbook > > Hello, all. > Thanks for the
exchange, as positive comments and constructive criticism both help us to
improve. However, Group Study is not the place for the thread. > Paul
(Group Study's owner) and I have talked extensively and I know it is his
desire and the purpose of GS that threads pertain to technical
discussions that every subscriber can relate to. All vendors have their own
sales websites and support outlets. Participating vendors *should* direct
customers to their own lists for support issues, rather than use Paul's
bandwidth for free, but I digress... > I can assure
those interested that we will be looking into the specific product and
customer service issues tomorrow and throughout this week. In the
meantime, to be sure there are no lost emails or other communication
problems, I offer you my own cell phone number - 810.434.7447 - which I
carry with me more than I should. ;) > Thanks for your patience and
willingness to help us improve! > Matt Brooks IPexpert, Inc. VP Sales &
Business Development +1.810.326.1444 x101 - http://www.IPexpert.com > >
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Wist [mailto:Jason.Wist@lvs1.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:30 PM To: Jens Petter; Wayne Lawson;
ccie16081; security@groupstudy.com Cc: Matt Brooks at IPexpert;
smorris@ipexpert.com Subject: RE: Opinion about IPExpert Workbook >
Here's my $.02. I will start off by stating that I attended an IPExpert
Bootcamp back in January of this year, and without disclosing any details,
I requested my money back due to very poor instruction. I must state
that Wayne was very apologetic and took care of my refund after hearing my
problems with the instruction. He was understanding and very reasonable in
dealing with the problems I had experienced. Although this did not help me
in my efforts to pass (failed my 1st attempt 3 weeks after the bootcamp),
I found he was accessible and willing to reason with the situation. > I
believe that no matter what product you purchase there will be errors and
we as students have to identify them and raise them to the attention of the
vendor. I understand that this has been done, I just thought I should
share my experience. > Regards, > JW >
________________________________ > From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf
of Jens Petter Sent: Sun 23/04/2006 11:32 AM To: 'Wayne Lawson';
'ccie16081'; security@groupstudy.com Cc: 'Matt Brooks at IPexpert';
smorris@ipexpert.com Subject: RE: Opinion about IPExpert Workbook > > >
Hey WAYNE... this is
not my buisniss but when you call people liers then I need to say
something > Why do you call him a lier... He is totally right about that
workbook... Man you are never able to take criticism about your
products... he is not lying.. I also remember you (ipexpert)promised ver 2
of the security book just after they had changed the lab that year(2003)
and he is right the book came last year... so he is totally telling the
truth.... > You should rather look at your customer service, and you say
if you have any complaints contact you and matt... man you can wrote you
guys 10 mails before you answers the mail > > -----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne Lawson Sent: 23. april 2006 17:34 To: 'ccie16081';
security@groupstudy.com Cc: 'Matt Brooks at IPexpert'; smorris@ipexpert.com
Subject: RE: Opinion about IPExpert Workbook > 16081 - Who are you? Your
statements are outright lies - if you
have any complaints or issues, please contact me - or our VP of Sales,
Matt Brooks directly. > Thank you for choosing IPexpert!, Wayne A.
Lawson II Founder, President & CCIE #5244 - IPexpert, Inc. >
-----Original Message----- From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of ccie16081 Sent: Saturday,
April 22, 2006 8:15 PM To: security@groupstudy.com Subject: Opinion about
IPExpert Workbook > Here is my opinions about the IPExpert workbook: >
I purchased the first IPExpert Workbook version 1.0 back in July 2003 for
$499. The book had a lot of errors in it that it was not even funny. In
other words, the material is a piece of crap, completely useless. I
contacted IPExpert in August 2003 and spoke directly with Wayne Larson.
Wayne assured me that IPExpert will come out with IPExpert 2.0 in Septemter
that will fix a lot of errors in version 1.0. Not only that, they will
send me a free upgrade of the IPExpert 2.0
workbook. Wayne sound believable on the phone when I talked him. > It
turned out that he just outright lied to me about the version 2.0 . I do
not think version 2.0 was released until late in 2004 or perhap 2005.
They did not even bother send me verion 2.0 workbook which I found to be
in-excusable, it is just bad business from IPExpert. Not only that, the
materials in the workbook are so bad and will not help anyone preparing for
the Security lab. At least, that's how I feel about it. > I think the
folks at IPExpert are a bunch of crooks. They put out a shitty product
called IPExpert Workbook to screw honest consumers like you and me. I
would never buy anything from them again. It seems like everytime people
complained about the IPExpert Workbook, I see emails from People at
IPexpert defending it by saying that the workbook is going through a
revamp. Yeah right, you guys have been saying that crap since 2003. For
me $499 is not a big
deal because I can afford it but I know for a lot of folks in this forum
who has to pay their own lab equpipments, rack time, lab fee and air fair,
$499 is a big deal for them. It is not right for IPExpert to rip them
off like that. > I did not use hello computers or TriNet workbooks so
that I can not comment on them but I can definitely say with 100%
conviction that purchasing IPExpert Workbook is a completely waste of
money. > That's my 2c. > CCIE16081 > >
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