From: Andre Scalco (andre.scalco@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Mar 19 2006 - 14:18:57 GMT-3
Interesting topic for sure, I do hold a MBA,IE and some other ones that I
don't even remember what they stand for. I worked as CIO for a small company
and now I work as Account Manager on an European Integrator.
My impression about the whole thing is; MBA and IE are really important for
get you a job, if one is harder than the other doesn't really matter to be
honest, you have to study hard for both anyways, don't you?
So I see this way, you need to prepare yourself the best you can to get
there, MBA and IE are great ways to do it, your big challenge will actually
start when you get there. At that point the key for sucess is not really on
what you have on your business card, I saw so many people with MBA and IE
failing because they were not honest, didn't have good interpersonal and
communication skills, didn't exercise good judgment, didn't work well in a
team environment,etc...
I saw someone saying "Certs are good to get a job, and college education to
get a future" I would add to that " Ethics, Leadership and Communication
Skills "
Andre.
On 3/18/06, Hoogen <hoogen82@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If i am right, people who have their MBA's do earn more than CCIE's
> beacuse
> they are the top management. Thinking about this thread you really need'nt
> be very technical to be a CTO. Personally I feel a management guy should
> be
> managing things and a technical guy should be doing technical things.
> Mixing
> both together could be bad.
>
> Cheers,
> Hoogen
>
>
> On 3/19/06, ccieim@comcast.net <ccieim@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Having MBA is always a better idea compare with CCIE if you intend to be
> > in management. I'm working for a IT outsource company, all/most of upper
> > management, I mean upper not team management, require MBA. They do not
> care
> > about CCIE since upper managment deal with $ and stategic and way that
> the
> > BU and company are heading not deal with bit/byte. If you care about to
> be
> a
> > team lead or technical team management, then CCIE will help but not
> upper
> > management.
> > My 2 cents.Don
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Fred Watson" <watsonf@verizon.net>
> >
> > > Interesting. I went through hell getting my CCIE, and the MBA is
> HARDER
> > than
> > > that? I wonder what newly minted MBAs are making these days? Sounds
> like
> > > pointy-haired boss territory to me.
> > >
> > > Prior to getting my CCIE I was offered a CIO position. I declined
> > because I
> > > like the technology too much and the political too little. Personally
> I
> > find
> > > it difficult to balance management and technical. The techie magnet
> for
> > me
> > > is stronger, so if you don't force a balance one side suffers.
> > >
> > > But these things change over time. If I were to do the CIO thing I
> think
> > my
> > > CCIE would lapse because I'd be consumed with "other" stuff. Maybe
> > others
> > > can keep that balance, but for me it would be very difficult.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Lee
> > > Gillespie
> > > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:59 AM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: CIO and CCIE
> > >
> > > I think the MBA easily trumps the CCIE. A MBA is a lot
> > > more prestigious and harder to get then the CCIE. Most
> > > CIO's I know end up letting their CCIE expire, since
> > > it really doesnt mean anything to them anymore.
> > >
> > > --- Joe Rinehart wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have noticed a significant preponderance with
> > > > consulting in a CIO role...
> > > > One of my former customers was a large company in
> > > > which I got to interact
> > > > with the CIO and last year I had several executive
> > > > interactions that made me
> > > > start to think about this...all of those folks had
> > > > done consulting...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: David Lee [mailto:a07146@yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:31 AM
> > > > To: Babylon By The Bay; Joe Rinehart
> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: CIO and CCIE
> > > >
> > > > MBA is a MUST if you want to undestand how top
> > > > management people talk in $ & #.
> > > >
> > > > GMAT is not difficult compare to CCIE Lab. So having
> > > > both definitely will get you CIO position soon or
> > > > later. Even better, if you have your own consulting
> > > > firm.
> > > >
> > > > Dave,
> > > > Network Engineer
> > > > http://www.ccie2be.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Babylon By The Bay
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I tend to agree!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm looking at doing the same myself. As I'm now
> > > > > pushing 40 there seems to
> > > > > be a yearning within me to make the next big step
> > > > > into the upper echelon of
> > > > > the food chain. The only real way to do this
> > > > within
> > > > > the global 1000 is to
> > > > > have a solid B-School to back it up with.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm considering: London Business School (LBS) and
> > > > > INSEAD, but we'll see as
> > > > > I'm still in prep mode for GMAT.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been following some MBA bloggers and there's
> > > > a
> > > > > wealth of information
> > > > > there. From daily life to classes and getting your
> > > > > foot in the door. CHECK
> > > > > IT OUT...
> > > > >
> > > > > mbaleague.blogspot.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck...
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Joe Rinehart"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 7:59 AM
> > > > > Subject: CIO and CCIE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Weird off topic question but wanted group input.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Definitely value the CCIE after clawing my way
> > > > to
> > > > > it in 2004 (deep in my
> > > > > > recert studies at the moment in fact) and love
> > > > the
> > > > > technical piece of
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Having scaled that mountain I am now working on
> > > > an
> > > > > MBA with a career goal
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > becoming a CIO.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My personal opinion is that having both the
> > > > > business (MBA) and technical
> > > > > > (CCIE) background is a unique and killer
> > > > > combination for a role like that.
> > > > > > What are YOUR thoughts? Benefit, drawback, or
> > > > > neither?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe Rinehart, Consulting Systems Engineer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CCNP, CCDP, CCIE #14256
> > > > > >
> > > > > > World Wide Technology, Inc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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