From: ccie_2006@comcast.net
Date: Thu Mar 02 2006 - 18:49:52 GMT-3
I meant to say I would prefer running IGPs to the closet instead of Spanning-tree.
We just implemented the exact same solution where I work. We have a huge voice network with Meeting place, video conferencing and IPTV. As matter of fact we have absolutely no POTS lines. We have a total of 5000 users with a possible 5000 more joining the campus. When we originally purposed it, a bunch of old school CCIEs started laughing at us. But after testing and comparing how long spanning tree takes to reconverge compared to routing (OSPF or EIGRP). And not to mentioned, how easy it is to troubleshoot unlike spanning-tree. Where it can takes almost a day to find where the loop was started (not really a day exaggerating here no flames please :) but a long time. Everything is running fine now I would prefer running IGPs to the closet instead of Spanning-tree. I think Cisco is going to push this more and more as time goes on.
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We just implemented the exact same solution where I work. We have a huge voice network with Meeting place, video conferencing and IPTV. As matter of fact we have absolutely no POTS lines. We have a total of 5000 users with a possible 5000 more joining the campus. When we originally purposed it, a bunch of old school CCIEs started laughing at us. But after testing and comparing how long spanning tree takes to reconverge compared to routing (OSPF or EIGRP). And not to mentioned, how easy it is to troubleshoot unlike spanning-tree. Where it can takes almost a day to find where the loop was started (not really a day exaggerating here no flames please :) but a long time. We decided to go with it.
Everything is running fine, now I would prefer running spanning to the closet instead of Spanning-tree. I think Cisco is going to push this more and more as time goes on.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Leigh Harrison <ccileigh@gmail.com>
> All,
>
> I'm currently working on a design for a customer. Straight forward
> design with Access and a Core. 3750's in the access layer and a 6513 in
> the core (yes there is only 1, but the customer already has it, it has
> dual sup cards and dual power supplies...) the 3750's are in stacks and
> there is dual gig links back to the core.
>
> I was at a Cisco seminar recently where Cisco said that the best
> practice is to route, rather than use spanning tree and switch,
> essentially turn off spanning tree. I'm quite happy to run either way,
> but I do have a question:-
>
> We are running VoIP on the network and there is call recording software
> going in. This needs to have the ports of the gatekeepers span'd to it
> so that it can do the recording. If I'm routing my network, what are
> the options for accomplishing this if my gatekeepers are not connected
> to the same switch?
>
> I presume that someone out there has run into a similar issue, so any
> insight would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Best Regards
> LH
> #15331
>
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