From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Wed Mar 01 2006 - 22:58:29 GMT-3
While the proctor may not DIRECTLY influence the passing or failing of a
test, he/she certainly does have the potential to make the day as decent as
possible or to suck. All that may go to the mental state.
Like Rodrigo said though, telling Cisco (ccie@cisco.com) is the only way to
address that and get it fixed. Although, I would suggest taking on a more
professional tone yourself if you want to be heard rather than blown off.
Just my thoughts.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Aaron Aday
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:03 PM
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Proctors in Bangalore-India
First off I completely agree with Rodrigo's suggestion to write a formal
complaint to ccie@cisco.com. This is the ONLY way you will be able to get
these issues addressed.
Second, the Proctor is there to "guide" you through the exam....not give it
to you. Sounds like to me that he did know what the issue was with the one
question you pointed out, but knew it was more "straight forward" then the
candidate was interrupting it to be, thus his response.
Third, exams for the most part are grade by the next Lab center to the West
(Chase the Sun), ask Cisco they will tell you, so the Proctor in you center
has nothing to do with you passing or failing.
Forth, I am not sure what you are talking about at the end of your email,
but if you are just trying to spread rumors just to spread rumors, then
please don't use this email group. If you have legitimate proof that Cisco
has held or failed (as I think you are trying to insinuate) then come
forward with the evidence yourself. None of this hear say stuff "I heard
from my brothers, friends, sister, that sold a dog to the proctor who said
we are holding test results just to hold them." I mean what does Cisco
gain by holding the test results of a candidate? It is not like the
integrity of the test is lost, and in fact in my experience some of the low
number CCIE have said the newer test are more difficult, as they should be.
So Cisco gains nothing by trying to limit the number expert engineers that
are in the market.
Just my thoughts, sorry to get on a rant,
Aaron
On 3/1/06, Rodrigo Paes <rpaes@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Hi...
>
> Have u written a formal complain to the ccie@cisco.com ?
>
> As I understand, the Proctor is there to help you out with the
> understanding of the exam... to answer questions like "what do you
> expect the output of this command will be ?" or "I'm not sure if I can
> use this or that method, and if it doesn't conflict with the item
> restrictions..." or in the case of us non-english speaking folks "what
> does this word mean ?" :))
>
> I'm pretty sure that if the proctor was anything but
> professional, CCIE program managers will to handle the issue.
>
> Now... I'm sorry about everything, I've failed the exam more
> times than I'd like, but I don't think there is any kind of policy
> from cisco putting a cap on the number of CCIEs passing the exam in
> India, or China... or wherever. Specially givend the amount of money
> they are putting in your neck of the woods ;)
>
> But I _do_ think that cisco is starting to act upon the "CCIE TK"
> ..
> and I'm ALL FOR IT !!!
>
> well... my $0.02
>
> []'s
> Rodrigo
>
>
> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 21:47 +0000, CCIE tobe wrote:
> > Frustrating is an understatement...The proctoring in the
> > Bangalore
> Lab is
> > the height of unprofessionalism...
> > First of all the sits in the lab and attends phone calls on his
> > mobile phone...and keeps talking...its so disturbing...when one of
> > us told him ...he went outside...Its really
> appaling
> > how a CCIE moreso a PROCTOR can be so inconsiderate and ignorant...
> >
> > He is
> > absolutely of no assistance...Once when someone had asked him a
> > simple question like "I just wanted to confirm the question with you
> > if we have
> to
> > use X or Y"...the answer he gave was.."Read the question carefully
> > and
> do not
> > try to read between the lines and intstead focus on the wordings
> > carefully"..as though if CCIE lab exam a test of English language
> > not Technology expertise..If he himself doesnt understand the
> > question...he
> should
> > have said he doesnt understand...If this is the aptitude level of
> Proctors
> > assigned for proctoring a CCIE lab exam...I think Cisco should
> > seriously consider conducting a exam to ascertain the credibility of
> proctors..they send
> > out a very wrong impression about Cisco to Networking Community...
> >
> > Far from
> > being helpful...you get an impression that he is not too happy to
> > see
> you pass
> > and just doesnt want to help you...maybe he genuinely doesnt know
> > ...He
> is
> > only too happy bragging about his achievements during the lunch
> break...that
> > he is a CISSP,BS7799 certified and so on......I have lost faith in
> > the Bangalore center...you get an impression that this guy will
> > purposely
> fail
> > you...even if it means screwing around with your script..JUST TO
> MAINTAIN A
> > GOOD FAILURE RATIO.....
> >
> > I have reliable information that Cisco has recently started
> > indulging in a very alarming,dangerous and highhanded trend of
> holding
> > results of a candidates indefinitely....(Could be merely based on
> a complaint
> > from Proctor)..... saying that they have evidence..WITHOUT ACTUALLY
> PRODUCING
> > ANY EVIDENCE TO THE CANDIDATES.
> >
> > IF THEY HAVE EVIDENCE WHY DOESNT CISCO PROVE THEIR ALLEGATION....
> > IS IT FAIR TO SUSPEND ANYONE'S RESULT JUST ON THE BASIS OF
> > SUSPICION?....IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK OR EXPECT OF CISCO TO BE FAIR
> > AND TRANSPERENT AND PROVE THAT THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN SUCH EXTEREME
> > STEP JUST
> ON THE
> > BASIS OF A COMPLAINT FROM THE PROCTOR...(HOW CAN THE PROCTOR
> > COMPLAIN(IN
> CASE
> > HE HAS....) WHEN THE CANDIDATE HAS NOT DONE ANY MALPRACTICE IN THE
> > EXAM
> ??)
> > WHY ARE THEY NOT COMING OUT TO PRESENT THE EVIDENCE...AND PROVE
> > IT..OR
> .....IS
> > IT LIKE
> > "NO QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED COZ UD GET NO ANSWERS??"...
> >
> > LOOKS LIKE
> > CISCO DOESN'T LIKE TOO MANY PEOPLE PASSING THEIR CCIE FROM THIS PART
> > OF
> THE
> > WORLD....
> >
> > REGARDS....
> >
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