From: Chang Joo,Lee (seajay76@nate.com)
Date: Sun Jan 08 2006 - 11:38:25 GMT-3
Hi, members.
Let me say in advance this is not related to this CCIE SP issue that is going on.
I'm sort of new here in this group.
In fact, I joined this mailing list to get some information relevant to the CCIE lab exam.
Sure I get a lot of useful information even though it's not exactly those appears in the lab exam.
I appreciate the effort of those who answers here any technical and political(?) questions.
It really helps me understand and think about what it's like to work as a network engineer
in another countries such as the states.
I don't know how big this group is and how many of it actively participate here,
but I really like to be an active member someday so that I can help those like me.
Sorry again for interrupting the CCIE SP issue.
Regards,
Lee
P.S. Has anybody thought about my question about multicat helper-map?? :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "CCIEin2006" <ciscocciein2006@gmail.com>
To: "Imal kalutotage" <imal.kalutotage@gmail.com>
Cc: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>; "Suzan S." <suzan_ccie@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: SP CCIE
>I think what Scott is saying (without putting words in his mouth) is that if
> you're good at what you do, you won't get laid off.
>
> What I'm saying is that corporate CEO's don't give a rats a$$ about your
> CCIE certification. When its time to cut head count you will get laid off
> even if you have six CCIE's. Sure they may keep you around a few extra weeks
> (which may be enough time to find another job as you wait for the impending
> doom) but the end result is the same.
>
> I'm sorry to sound cynical, but I have a few good friends (one of them is a
> brilliant CCIE) who got laid off when the World-CON $hit hit the fan. Then
> just when you thought it was safe to go back into the service
> provider waters SBC and ATT merged and another one of my talented buddies
> got laid off.
>
> Three reasons why the Service Provider track is a bad idea:
> 1. Dot-bomb - yup we're still in the recession.
> 2. World-CON - Still feeling that too.
> 3. Mergers and acquisitions - service providers are consolidating and buying
> each other out - which means laying off redundant staff.
>
> I would suggest taking either the Voice track or the Security track - both
> of which are hot items right now. Just do a search on your favorite job site
> and see how many hits you get for VOIP.
>
> Which brings me to another gripe - why are companies suddenly expecting you
> to become an expert at both Routing/Switching and Voice? Isn't that kind of
> like expecting a neurosurgeon to also be an expert dentist? We're talking
> about two different specialties here! I mean sure there are some
> commonalities in the tracks such as QOS but other than that configuring Call
> Manager and Unity is a totally separate skill altogether. I firmly believe
> that if try to be the jack of all trades you will be the master of none.
>
> I apologize in advance for my bitchy tone, just having a bad week.
>
> On 1/8/06, Imal kalutotage <imal.kalutotage@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>> I didnot understand, your mail at all.. sorry for my poor english..
>> Can you re-phrase it.. Becase I donot want to miss your valuable inputs..
>> Because I am also interested in SP track, But if no scope or money in
>> there
>> then I should spend my time on something else..
>>
>> Pls advice
>> Cheers
>> Imal
>>
>>
>> On 1/8/06, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I would hope though, that those being laid off are not the necessary
>> > talent
>> > needed to keep things running. Or, on the flip side, there's nothing
>> > wrong
>> > with consulting in gigs that deal in those kinds of issues.
>> >
>> > And "service provider" is WAY beyond the stereotypical telco structure
>> > from
>> > years gone by.
>> >
>> > There's plenty of work to be had.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > CCIEin2006
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:44 PM
>> > To: Suzan S.
>> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: SP CCIE
>> >
>> > Why bother? Service providers are still laying people off since the
>> > dot-bomb
>> > and World-con days...
>> >
>> > On 1/6/06, Suzan S. < suzan_ccie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dears,
>> > >
>> > > Please anyone took the SP CCIE lab this month? How is the Lab? and is
>> > > there any good preparation workbooks?
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > Suzan
>> > >
>> > >
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