From: de Witt, Duane (duane.dewitt@siemens.com)
Date: Wed Dec 14 2005 - 12:17:46 GMT-3
The ruling with Cisco is that if your CCIE number is used towards a
partnership with Cisco (silver or gold) you may not use your CCIE number
at a new company until 1 year after you left the old company. This is to
avoid CCIE's jumping from partner to partner at the highest bid in
countries where CCIE's are in short supply. It also gives the partner a
grace period to source a new CCIE.
Agreed, if this lady paid for her certification herself it is unfair
that her company benefits from her certification for a year after she
leaves. The wise thing to do in my opinion is, if you are paying for
yourself, remove your association with your company before you do the
lab so that they can't use your number towards their partnership. You
can then negotiate with them, the terms under which they may use your
certification. Obviously you can't negotiate around the 1 year thing,
but you can negotiate financial compensation for the benefits the
company would enjoy at a higher partnership level.
I don't see any problems with negotiating an upfront 'bonus' with your
employer (as long as the company is actually your employer) for the use
of your certification, after all, it is your hard work that got the
number and there is no such thing as a free lunch. I don't think Cisco
have any hold on people doing this. I certainly don't recall signing
anything before my lab saying that I can't sell my services as a CCIE to
the highest bidder.
On the other hand, the whole idea behind requiring CCIE's for partners
is so that partners have the skill themselves and don't look to Cisco
for technical support as much. My understanding of the 50% deal is that
you need 50% of your CCIE's under your employ in your country. You may
then call upon CCIE resources from your own company around the world
where there is an excess for the other 50%. At least that is what I plan
to do for multinational gold.
Anyway, that's just my view on it.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Sean C
Sent: 14 December 2005 04:39 PM
To: Schulz, Dave; Lee Donald; David Fuller; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE Credentials Usage etc
Hi Dave(s),
Lee is correct, you're on a tricky slope here. Read the pdf at the
bottom
of this link:
http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/employers/index.html
Here's the pdf:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/765/tools/cpapp/audit_doc.pdf
In particular, around page 9 - "Partners may employ full-time contracted
employees (not to exceed 50% of the required number of CCIEs) to fulfill
the
CCIE certified personnel requirements."
I believe key word is 'full-time'. From Dave Fuller's original post -
it
doesn't seem like full-time employment is part of the deal. As to Dave
Schultz question - there are comments around page 30 about how to handle
CCIEs if moving from 1 company to another. I do know of a CCIE whose
number
did not transfer with her, even though she paid for everything and her
old
employer sponsored nothing! Of course, I'm not a lawyer - so even with
this
advice from me, you'd still need a few bucks to buy a cup of joe at
Starbucks!
Both you and the channel partner can be penalized from Cisco if they
find
out otherwise. Good luck,
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Schulz, Dave" <DSchulz@dpsciences.com>
To: "Lee Donald" <Lee.Donald@t-systems.co.uk>; "David Fuller"
<fullerdavid@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
<security@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE Credentials Usage etc
> Lee - I have heard of associating your CCIE with a company to help
their
> Silver/Gold certification. I thought this was "Ok" with Cisco, as
long
> as your CCIE# was not associated with another company. Is this not
the
> case?
>
>
> Dave Schulz
> Email: dschulz@dpsciences.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Lee Donald
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:34 AM
> To: David Fuller; ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Credentials Usage etc
>
> Dave,
>
> Be careful, you will get your CCIE stripped from you if they find out.
>
> Regards
>
> Lee.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Fuller [mailto:fullerdavid@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 14 December 2005 10:22
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
> Subject: OT: CCIE Credentials Usage etc
>
> Hi there
>
> A question about CCIE number.
>
> If a company wants to have a CCIE on their books for Gold or Silver
> acredditation (and may be offer some work to the CCIE) what is a
> reasonable
> price for the CCIE to Charge the company?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
>
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