From: simon hart (simon@harttel.com)
Date: Thu Nov 10 2005 - 19:13:09 GMT-3
If it were not for my three kids I do not think I would have gone through
the CCIE pain! If I did not have 3 kids it may not have been that much pain
in the first place.
Having to make judgement calls on social/family life and study is the thing
I have found hardest. I get particularly grumpy with the kids when I can't
get ospf to work and they want me to explain what 'wahoo' is in Sims 2!!
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Guyler, Rik
Sent: 10 November 2005 21:16
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: KIDS
Hehe...congratulations Josh!
-----Original Message-----
From: joshua lauer [mailto:jslauer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:12 PM
To: Scott Morris; 'Leigh Harrison'; 'Brian'
Cc: 'Dennis J. Hartmann'; 'Guyler, Rik'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: KIDS
All this talk about kids must have stirred something up, either that or
something was put into our water. We're expecting number two child in 8
months, just found out today. Now the pressures on to pass the lab more than
ever........
jl
Josh Lauer
RHCE, MCSE NT/2000, CCNA, CCDA, CCDP, CCNP, CCSP, CCIP, CISSP, CEH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'Leigh Harrison'" <ccileigh@gmail.com>; "'Brian'" <bluvmack@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Dennis J. Hartmann'" <dhartma5@optonline.net>; "'Guyler, Rik'"
<rguyler@shp-dayton.org>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: KIDS
> Sounds like this would be an excellent time to play the lottery! ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Leigh Harrison
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:48 PM
> To: Brian
> Cc: Dennis J. Hartmann; 'Guyler, Rik'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: KIDS
>
> Couldn't agree more chaps.
>
> We're in the process of ivf. We had our pregnancy test last Thursday and
> it
> was a positive. We had that in he morning and sat in a waiting room
> waiting
> for the result. After that stress, sitting in the lab on Monday didn't
> even
> come close.
>
> I swear, I have the biggest smile on my face. Last week in October I
> turned
> 25, the week after we find out the girlfriend is pregnant, the week after
> I
> pass my CCIE, the week after, I'm getting spare time again. Life is sweet
> !!
>
>
> Brian wrote:
>
>> Good point Dennis,
>>
>> It gets very easy to lose perspective and usually to regain it it
>> takes a drastic or catastrophic event. Life is so quick and while it
>> is good to have goals, faimily is always priority especially your
>> kids. One day you wake up and they are going off to college or
>> getting married. Each moment with them counts more than anything,
>> cause none of us are promised tomorrow. And when I get ready to take
>> that trip, the last thing I will be concerned with is my CCIE status.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis J. Hartmann"
>> <dhartma5@optonline.net>
>> To: "'Guyler, Rik'" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:46 PM
>> Subject: KIDS
>>
>>
>>> I have a 10 month old baby (Johnny) and boy who's almost 4 years old
>>> (Dennis). I feel your pain, but I'd give up a CCIE for time with
>>> them ANY DAY!!!! Prioritize your life and live by those priorities.
>>> Your kids don't give a RATS ASS about your certifications! If it
>>> takes me 8 attempts and I don't have to slight my family.... SO BE
>>> IT! :-)
>>>
>>> There's more important things than this CCIE medal of honor.
>>>
>>> That which does not kill me only makes me stronger -Nietzsche
>>>
>>> I'm feeling philosophical tonight....
>>>
>>> -Dennis Hartmann
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Guyler, Rik
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:31 AM
>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: It is possible!
>>>
>>> They do become more self-entertained the older they get but they also
>>> get much more expensive! Ohh...I also don't have to worry about my
>>> 2-yr old smoking, drinking, skipping school or anything else (he
>>> doesn't do these things yet) I would frown upon. The worst thing she
>>> does is make a mess on the floor with her toys or jump on the couch.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> The trick is to bribe (intimidate) the 15-yr old to help take care of
>>> the 2-yr old. Now THAT'S a challenge!
>>>
>>> Rik
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:16 AM
>>> To: 'Guyler, Rik'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: It is possible!
>>>
>>> With mine, it's more of the constant need to be held, changed, fed or
>>> some other variety of "direct connection". :) When they get older
>>> I'm sure they'll be at least a LITTLE self-entertaining. But I have
>>> a hard time putting off studying for several years till that happens.
>>> So for now, it's just waiting until after 9pm.
>>>
>>> But yup, it's a challenge! 15 and 2? There's an interesting
>>> combination!
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Guyler, Rik
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:41 AM
>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: It is possible!
>>>
>>> Yeah...me too. Scott Morris can attest to this as well, eh Scott?
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> It's tough to study for the lab when your little one is climbing up
>>> your leg to get a chance to bang on the keyboard with you...or the
>>> teenager wants to play a game of Battlefield2 with you. I have a
>>> 15-yr old and a 2-yr
>>> old...somebody help me! ;-)
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>> From: Michael Brooks [mailto:michaeljbrooks@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:45 PM
>>> To: Guyler, Rik
>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: It is possible!
>>>
>>>
>>> Congrats !
>>>
>>> I am trying to do both (parent & lab) at the same time. Now thats a
>>> challenge.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On 11/8/05, Guyler, Rik <rguyler@shp-dayton.org
>>> <mailto:rguyler@shp-dayton.org> > wrote:
>>>
>>> You thought the lab was hard...wait till you have to be a parent!
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Congratulations!
>>>
>>> Rik
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Edwards, Andrew M [mailto:andrew.m.edwards@boeing.com
>>> <mailto:andrew.m.edwards@boeing.com> ]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:13 PM
>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: It is possible!
>>>
>>> All I can say is...
>>>
>>> God answered my prayers. I passed in SJ yesterday.
>>>
>>> Yes, there is more to it than that, but I must give credit where
>>> credit is due. A good combination of experience, effort, knowledge
>>> and most importantly prayer go a long way towards having clarity and
>>> success during the exam.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, for those of you new to GS I would like to share my story. One
>>> day I realized it was time to prove to myself I could pass the CCIE
>>> R&S exam.
>>> After passing the written on my second attempt I too started to study
>>> for the lab. I quickly found myself without any colleagues to
>>> discuss these crazy issues with at any level of depth required for
>>> the CCIE lab.
>>> So, I
>>> got on GS and realized how deep things really would go.
>>> Honestly, my first impression was that these GS people were crazy for
>>> arguing about Tc shaping intervals and how many bits burst in excess;
>>> absolute timers versus idle timers for lock n key, and all that other
>>> nitty gritty nerd knob stuff. Initially I thought people on GS that
>>> talked about these things in such detail really needed a life.
>>>
>>> Little did I know that I would soon be joining them...
>>>
>>> And so the story goes, I started to post on GS and discover exactly
>>> what I didn't know; or at least what I thought I knew was wrong. And
>>> slowly, over time, the facts got straight as did my technical
>>> experience and exposure. I
>>>
>>> too started grinding over Tc intervals, burst patterns, NBAR protocol
>>> matching, timer adjustments, etc. And then, one day I realized I was
>>> one of those people who needed a life. 8)
>>>
>>> Strangely, over the past 2 years, this list has become my second
>>> family full
>>>
>>> of personalities and people I really look forward to meeting. Its
>>> what I imagine a fraternity would have been like had I joined one.
>>> And, oddly enough, I feel like I just got through with a self
>>> inflicted hazing that I'll never forget.
>>>
>>> So now, after having spend the better part of 2.5 years and 5 lab
>>> attempts I have proven to myself the following:
>>>
>>> 1. The CCIE R&S exam is passable
>>> 2. Knowledge is required, but sometimes its not enough during the exam.
>>> This is where determination comes in (e.g. try and try again).
>>> 3. And probably most important: Do ONLY what you are asked to do
>>> and make sure things work EXACTLY the way you are asked.
>>>
>>> And in closing, I want to thank the Scotts & Brians for pulling away
>>> my knowledge blanket and really getting me to learn something. And
>>> Tim (ccie2be = cciewhois). I remember last year Tim and I would futs
>>> over
>>> IPv6 and why most V6 tunnels don't run IGPs and other stuff as we
>>> freaked out about this addition to the lab - oh those unfounded
>>> fears!
>>> And Chris Lewis for helping de-mystify QOS. Excellent stuff coming
>>> from Chris on the QoS front people! Not necessarily new material,
>>> but sometimes hearing it the 8th time a different way makes things
>>> sink in...
>>>
>>> I would also like to thank the proctors Tom and Tuong in SJ. Thanks
>>> for your guidance and patience for people like me who make this exam
>>> much harder
>>>
>>> than it was probably meant to be. And, Tom, I do hope I see you
>>> again but this time I'll guy you lunch - no voucher required. 8)
>>>
>>> And finally, the guys I really want to thank are Marvin, Brad, and
>>> Bill Lejewski at www.ccbootcamp.com <http://www.ccbootcamp.com> .
>>> Yes, Bill (shows how dated I am).
>>> These guys have really watched me struggle. They knew I had
>>> knowledge, but just failed to convert during the actual exam. They
>>> were always there to help with anything I needed and they never gave
>>> up on me.
>>> Thanks guys. And now I'll take that beer Brad!
>>>
>>> So, I'm sure you will all agree, its time to get reacquainted with my
>>> estranged friends, family, and ever patient wife. She's 6 months
>>> pregnant and I've got a lot of painting and baby-proofing to do. 8)
>>>
>>> Thanks again GS! I hope to see you guys soon!
>>>
>>> Andy Edwards
>>> CCIE #15334
>>>
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