From: Hotmail (pauwen@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Nov 10 2005 - 17:50:15 GMT-3
Hi guys,
with all due respect, I agree that the kids don4t give a rats ass about you
being a CCIE or whatever. As a matter of fact, they don4t give a rats ass
about you having a job or not, but they still expect you to put bread on the
table.
It is my humble opinion that kids should know their place in life, and that
is sometimes, or more often than that, not the top spot, just as it is in
real life. When Dad has to study for his CCIE, kids come second ! Why ?
Because Dad needs CCIE to get a getter job and more money ! Why ? Because he
needs the money to pay for their college education !
Don4t take me too serious...I am at attempt #6, and I have NO kids...:)
Regards,
Georg Pauwen
Senior Network Engineer
www.solutionfinders.nl
Phone: 0900-6050400 (Netherlands only)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis J. Hartmann" <dhartma5@optonline.net>
To: "'Guyler, Rik'" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:46 AM
Subject: KIDS
> I have a 10 month old baby (Johnny) and boy who's almost 4 years old
> (Dennis). I feel your pain, but I'd give up a CCIE for time with them ANY
> DAY!!!! Prioritize your life and live by those priorities. Your kids
don't
> give a RATS ASS about your certifications! If it takes me 8 attempts and
I
> don't have to slight my family.... SO BE IT! :-)
>
> There's more important things than this CCIE medal of honor.
>
> That which does not kill me only makes me stronger -Nietzsche
>
> I'm feeling philosophical tonight....
>
> -Dennis Hartmann
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Guyler, Rik
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:31 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: It is possible!
>
> They do become more self-entertained the older they get but they also get
> much more expensive! Ohh...I also don't have to worry about my 2-yr old
> smoking, drinking, skipping school or anything else (he doesn't do these
> things yet) I would frown upon. The worst thing she does is make a mess
on
> the floor with her toys or jump on the couch. ;-)
>
> The trick is to bribe (intimidate) the 15-yr old to help take care of the
> 2-yr old. Now THAT'S a challenge!
>
> Rik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:16 AM
> To: 'Guyler, Rik'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: It is possible!
>
> With mine, it's more of the constant need to be held, changed, fed or some
> other variety of "direct connection". :) When they get older I'm sure
> they'll be at least a LITTLE self-entertaining. But I have a hard time
> putting off studying for several years till that happens. So for now,
it's
> just waiting until after 9pm.
>
> But yup, it's a challenge! 15 and 2? There's an interesting
combination!
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Guyler, Rik
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:41 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: It is possible!
>
> Yeah...me too. Scott Morris can attest to this as well, eh Scott? ;-)
>
> It's tough to study for the lab when your little one is climbing up your
leg
> to get a chance to bang on the keyboard with you...or the teenager wants
to
> play a game of Battlefield2 with you. I have a 15-yr old and a 2-yr
> old...somebody help me! ;-)
>
> _____
>
> From: Michael Brooks [mailto:michaeljbrooks@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:45 PM
> To: Guyler, Rik
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: It is possible!
>
>
> Congrats !
>
> I am trying to do both (parent & lab) at the same time. Now thats a
> challenge.
>
> Mike
>
> On 11/8/05, Guyler, Rik <rguyler@shp-dayton.org
> <mailto:rguyler@shp-dayton.org> > wrote:
>
> You thought the lab was hard...wait till you have to be a parent! ;-)
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Rik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edwards, Andrew M [mailto:andrew.m.edwards@boeing.com
> <mailto:andrew.m.edwards@boeing.com> ]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:13 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Subject: It is possible!
>
> All I can say is...
>
> God answered my prayers. I passed in SJ yesterday.
>
> Yes, there is more to it than that, but I must give credit where credit is
> due. A good combination of experience, effort, knowledge and most
> importantly prayer go a long way towards having clarity and success during
> the exam.
>
>
> Now, for those of you new to GS I would like to share my story. One day I
> realized it was time to prove to myself I could pass the CCIE R&S exam.
> After passing the written on my second attempt I too started to study for
> the lab. I quickly found myself without any colleagues to discuss these
> crazy issues with at any level of depth required for the CCIE lab. So, I
> got on GS and realized how deep things really would go.
> Honestly, my first impression was that these GS people were crazy for
> arguing about Tc shaping intervals and how many bits burst in excess;
> absolute timers versus idle timers for lock n key, and all that other
nitty
> gritty nerd knob stuff. Initially I thought people on GS that talked
about
> these things in such detail really needed a life.
>
> Little did I know that I would soon be joining them...
>
> And so the story goes, I started to post on GS and discover exactly what I
> didn't know; or at least what I thought I knew was wrong. And slowly,
over
> time, the facts got straight as did my technical experience and exposure.
I
>
> too started grinding over Tc intervals, burst patterns, NBAR protocol
> matching, timer adjustments, etc. And then, one day I realized I was one
of
> those people who needed a life. 8)
>
> Strangely, over the past 2 years, this list has become my second family
full
>
> of personalities and people I really look forward to meeting. Its what I
> imagine a fraternity would have been like had I joined one. And, oddly
> enough, I feel like I just got through with a self inflicted hazing that
> I'll never forget.
>
> So now, after having spend the better part of 2.5 years and 5 lab attempts
I
> have proven to myself the following:
>
> 1. The CCIE R&S exam is passable
> 2. Knowledge is required, but sometimes its not enough during the exam.
> This is where determination comes in (e.g. try and try again).
> 3. And probably most important: Do ONLY what you are asked to do and
make
> sure things work EXACTLY the way you are asked.
>
> And in closing, I want to thank the Scotts & Brians for pulling away my
> knowledge blanket and really getting me to learn something. And Tim
> (ccie2be = cciewhois). I remember last year Tim and I would futs over
> IPv6 and why most V6 tunnels don't run IGPs and other stuff as we freaked
> out about this addition to the lab - oh those unfounded fears!
> And Chris Lewis for helping de-mystify QOS. Excellent stuff coming from
> Chris on the QoS front people! Not necessarily new material, but
sometimes
> hearing it the 8th time a different way makes things sink in...
>
> I would also like to thank the proctors Tom and Tuong in SJ. Thanks for
> your guidance and patience for people like me who make this exam much
harder
>
> than it was probably meant to be. And, Tom, I do hope I see you again but
> this time I'll guy you lunch - no voucher required. 8)
>
> And finally, the guys I really want to thank are Marvin, Brad, and Bill
> Lejewski at www.ccbootcamp.com <http://www.ccbootcamp.com> . Yes, Bill
> (shows how dated I am).
> These guys have really watched me struggle. They knew I had knowledge,
but
> just failed to convert during the actual exam. They were always there to
> help with anything I needed and they never gave up on me.
> Thanks guys. And now I'll take that beer Brad!
>
> So, I'm sure you will all agree, its time to get reacquainted with my
> estranged friends, family, and ever patient wife. She's 6 months pregnant
> and I've got a lot of painting and baby-proofing to do. 8)
>
> Thanks again GS! I hope to see you guys soon!
>
> Andy Edwards
> CCIE #15334
>
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