From: mark forest (mforest@inetiq.com)
Date: Fri Sep 23 2005 - 15:45:28 GMT-3
Raja,
What a great response...for those who I have offended in any way, my
apologies.
Sameer,
you have to admit based upon your original post, it is skeptical at best,
and in reality is still asking for pirated or otherwise NOT free material. I
would expect to be ripped if I asked for ecopies of workbooks produced by
the vendors that participate in this forum, so why are e-books ok in some
others minds?
General Note:
The point still is e-books contrary to what anyone thinks are usually NOT
free, they cost money. Money that eventually gets to an author. Some books
come with a soft copy and some do not. Getting them by way of "you sending
them to me" without payment to the source is theft, unless it is licensed
under open source licensing.
What I have seen by some of the other responses is that pirating is ok,
illegal distribution of copyrighted and licensed material is ok. I guess all
the folks out there reading this post who have lime wire and other
peer-to-peer copies of IE, NLI, NMC, and countless others' workbooks have
called the appropriate vendors and let them know that their valuable
information is great and helps towards CCIE studies, but not good enough to
pay for. I am sure they would be happy to know you just screwed them. I am
sure the list of authors in the original emails get complimentary emails
everyday showing gratitude for their work from those who have peer-to-peered
their materials instead of getting them from proper distribution channels.
Come on folks...respect those that have given this community by way of
authoring great books, great workbooks, and great classes on demand what is
due to them. Studying for CCIE can cost a small fortune in some cases. As
Brian M. posted go to http://safari.oreilly.com/ and for a nominal monthly
fee you have tons of resources available. Read the dedication and
acknowledgements in these books, those are the people you are screwing!
The rant is over...I think the point has been made.
mf
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Kumar Raja-Q16843
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:52 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Cc: Khurana, Sameer
Subject: RE: CCIE ebooks
Come on guys, we don't need to fry this guy like this.
Khurana, we all rather most of us do have all the books you have requested,
but no one is going to give you just like that.
Getting a CCIE, cost lot many things, Money, Time, Energy, a great deal of
Motivation .... In this the fist step investing money in the books, since
you didn't take the first step, you must have pissed some of us.
Since no one would know that you have already ordered those books.
Most of the guys here are so nice in helping future CCIE's, but some of the
question pisses them off, one of them was probably your question, please
don't take it hard.
Infact I was honestly thinking to send, but some of the books 10MB and
around that, its really difficult to share, moreover there is this ethical
question, we don't even know Jeff Doyle, but we love him for whatever we are
today, we owe him so much, same is the case with Caslow, and Sam Halabi too.
Pardon us if no one helped you in this.
Warm Regards,
Raja
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Khurana, Sameer
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 6:23 AM
To: mark forest; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE ebooks
Seems you only got ripped off and nobody else.
I have got so many other replies but nobody was rude like you. Others were
trying to help me but you instead chose you give your negative comments.
ebooks are made to study through computer and I have personally seen many
people who prefer to study through ebook instead of a hard book. Its
personal choice and I don't think to request for an ebook on the forum
required the reason behind it. I had the genuine reason which I shared after
reading your reply and thought you would understand it but seems you just
want to drag it unnecessarily. You chose the wrong word in saying that you
are smart, the correct word is arrogant. Well, I don't have time to waste
like you so this topic is closed from my side.
Sameer
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of mark forest
Sent: Thu 9/22/2005 5:52 PM
To: Khurana, Sameer; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Cc:
Subject: RE: CCIE ebooks
Then pose the question so it does not look as if you want to rip
people off.
That's like saying "I have a problem with BGP, can you help?"
and that's all
that is said. Take something back no way... The question deserves
the
response. Post clear and concise and you wont have to worry about
smart
asses like myself responding in the manner which I have.
Oh, BTW most e-books cost money unless it explicity comes with the
hard
cover order on CD or download.
mf
-----Original Message-----
From: Khurana, Sameer [mailto:SKHURANA@amfam.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:10 PM
To: mark forest; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE ebooks
Importance: High
Mark,
You are just drawing the conclusion without knowing the reason
behind it.
I have already ordered the books and it will take a while for me to
receive
the books through shipping. I don't want to waste any time so that's
why
requested in the forum for the e-book if anybody is willing to share
with
me.
I hope you will understand now and will take your comments back.
All the
Best for your study!
Sameer
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of mark
forest
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:00 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE ebooks
Part of becoming a CCIE is having integrity. Start there, and then
think
about the stupid question you just asked.
mf
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
Khurana, Sameer
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:46 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: CCIE ebooks
Hi All,
Is anybody having the ebooks and doesn't mind sharing with me?
Please send
the ebooks at khurana_sam@yahoo.com. I am looking for the enclosed
ebooks:
* Routing TCP/IP by Jeff Doyle volume 1 and 2
* Cisco CCIE Exam Study Guide, Sybex, 2nd Edition by Kevin
Manweiler and Rob Payne
* Routers and Switches for CCIEs by Caslow and Pavlichenko
Thanks a ton!
Sameer
<mailto:skhurana@amfam.com>
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