From: john matijevic (john.matijevic@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Sep 15 2005 - 08:39:01 GMT-3
Hello Vijay,
I can certainly relate to your experience with job searching. You may want
to try and find a job starting out in a NOC or help desk, typically these
jobs are always avaliable as the turn over is very abundant. I know the pay
isnt as good, and the work itself is not that great either, but if you can
prove yourself in a position like that, chances are you will end up getting
a better job later down the road, as you will be getting good experience.
Sincerely,
John
On 9/15/05, joshua lauer <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Very True about the security clearance issue,
>
> it's very hard for private companies to obtain one for you, so they
> usually
> require that you have one when you come onboard. Depending on the level
> you
> need it sometimes would be cheaper for the company to train you from
> scratch
> (from CCNA to CCIE) than it would cost them to clear you. A govt job is
> always a possibility too, they will clear you. However, they also do not
> pay
> as much either and you'll have to suffer the time waiting out your
> investigation getting paid little. I've seen them hire CCIE's as simple
> analysts vice engineers. But, If you do have the clearance..There is a
> multitude of jobs for the choosing and they pay well for the most part.
>
> jl
>
>
> --- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
> To: "Vijay Ramcharan" <vramcharan@thedeal.com>
> Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Newly minted CCIE travelling the well-beaten path of
> inexperience
>
>
> > Vijay Ramcharan wrote:
> >
> >>I've been searching for an active networking role since July and I'm
> >>slowly despairing of ever finding something. Seeking some encouragement,
> >>I began searching the GroupStudy archives and found this thread:
> >>http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200404/msg00115.html
> >>This message in the thread sums it up nicely.
> >>http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200404/msg00265.html
> >>
> >>If I had taken a better look at my situation and gone searching the
> >>archives 2 months ago, I'd be less disappointed than I am now. Since I
> >>posted my resume on Monster and Dice this July, I've been on a number of
> >>interviews but my lack of "large network" experience has been my
> >>Achilles heel. That's not to say that I'm inept or anything like that.
> My
> >>most recent round of interviews resulted in this, "Everyone that
> >>interviewed you came away very impressed with your knowledge and
> >>presentation abilities. We have however, identified a candidate that
> >>has more practical experience, and are going to pursue him." Before that
> >>it was something along the lines of "we feel you are
> >>technically sound for a level 2 position but you have no practical
> >>experience in large networks so we cannot go forward with you" And so it
> >>has been for pretty much all of the in-person and phone
> >>interviews that I've had.
> >>I'm not even concerned about pay rate as job satisfaction is much more
> >>important to me. Being a great network engineer is my long-term goal but
> >>it's impossible to be great without day-to-day experience. I find that's
> >>what helps to solidify the theory and lab work and keeps what I've
> >>learnt on the journey to CCIE from becoming ephemeral.
> >>I'm willing to put in the time to learn and do more and I've proven that
> >>I'm technically capable but it seems that even with the CCIE, getting a
> >>foot in the door is not that easy. Maybe it's because I live in NY and
> >>there's a bit of a competition for junior level spots but I sure was
> >>hoping that my cert would put me near the top half of a candidate list.
> >>I know there are others on this list in the same plight that I'm in so
> >>as a word of encouragement to myself and those, "hang in there,
> >>somewhere, someone, is willing to give you a chance".
> >>I'm still searching... Vijay Ramcharan, CCIE #14824, CCDP, MCSE
> >>P.S. I'm currently employed and have been at the same employer for
> almost
> >>5
> >>years now. I don't do much day-to-day networking duties nor is there any
> >>future opportunity for that here or I'd be glad to stay.
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> >>
> > I think a big part of the problem is the New York location. I have
> > noticed that there are not that many advertised positions (on the major
> > jobs sites) in the New York area for Cisco people. A reseller out on
> Long
> > Island wants a CCIE, but they want someone who can also do penetration
> > testing and other security tasks, and they have had the job open
> forever.
> > They can't be trying to build a case for an H1B visa employee, because
> > those have been filled for next year, too, I ahve read.
> > Check out the DC metro area. There are many positions, and even if most
> > require a lot of experience to go with the CCIE, you are likely to find
> > something good where they can use you as a member of a team and not
> > require that you know absolutely everything about everything. The DC
> > government (local) spends a lot of money on IT and likes people with
> > CCIEs. Perhaps the combination of the CCIE and whatever you do in your
> > current job might be attractive to them. The feds have lots of work,
> too,
> > but a lot of it requires a security clearance, and you do not even want
> > to read a thread about the Catch 22 situation with security clearances.
> > As for the thread you referred to, that business of some technical
> people
> > trying to knock others down by finding their weak spots, that is just a
> > fact of life. Some people have lots of years on the job, and many
> > practical skills, but will never get the cert you got, and they may well
> > resent the idea that some employer might view you as somehow better than
> > them, and the opposite happened to that guy in the thread you referred
> to.
> > It looks like the freshly minted CCIE was trying to put the fellow with
> so
> > much experience.
> >
> > At the risk of sounding like Rodney King, I think we should all just get
> > along, and help each other, and learn from each other. I have a good
> > friend who has much more on-the-ground experinece than me, but he
> > appreciates my input and analysis.
> > I know the competition can be deadly in places where there have been
> > layoffs, but if it is a healthy company, people should be collegial and
> > supportive.
> >
> > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> >
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-- John Matijevic, CCIE #13254 U.S. Installation Group Senior Network Engineer 954-969-7160 ext. 1147 (office) 305-321-6232 (cell)
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