From: Tim (ccie2be@nyc.rr.com)
Date: Tue Sep 13 2005 - 12:12:24 GMT-3
James,
Why would you give up?
Because you think you can't ever pass?
Or, because even if you did pass, it's just not that important to you and
therefore the time, effort and expense isn't worth it?
If you're thinking you can't ever pass, that's nonsense.
If you're thinking it's not worth it, that's another issue and a personal
choice.
I failed the lab more times than I would ever publicly admit on GS. But, now
I'm a ccie. Although I love understanding technology in general and
networking in particular, I'm not what some would refer to as a router jock.
Prior to committing to becoming a ccie, I had very little hands-on (almost
none) with routers or switches.
As has been said many times on this forum, to pass the lab it greatly helps
if you can think like a router. I'll put it more bluntly - you need to be
mentally anal (no offense to anal compulsive people) which I'm not by any
stretch of the imagination.
That said, if you are truly committed to becoming a ccie, you can find a way
to overcome any and all obstacles standing before you. I did and so can
you. It was NOT easy. For me, it's the hardest thing I've ever done in my
life. I've taken a huge number of tests in my life and there has never been
a test for which I diligently prepared and still didn't pass on my first
attempt (although there's been plenty of tests for which I wasn't well
prepared and then failed) and yet I failed the lab many times.
Ultimately, what did it for me was dogged determination. If your attitude
is you're going to be a ccie no matter what, you will be a ccie. And, to
help you get there, me and many others are here on group study.
And, once you are a ccie, I hope to be one of the first to welcome you to
the club.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: James Matrisciano [mailto:jmatrisciano@kenttech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:11 AM
To: Tim
Subject: RE: OT- Attempts vs. Time Frame
Tim,
Good words, I failed yet again yesterday and I am on the verge of just
giving up. It seems that each time I fail this damn thig my score gets
worse. I take your words to heart, thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tim
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:37 AM
To: Bill.McKenzie@bisys.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: OT- Attempts vs. Time Frame
Bill,
I think the answer to your question is, "There is no correct or "rule of
thumb" answer."
Admittedly, that answer must be very unsatisfying. But, maybe I can help
put this question into perspective and give you a useful way to make
intelligent decisions going forward.
If you read my post of 9/2, you know lots of people fail the lab for
reasons other than not having enough skill and knowledge.
For example, it's very easy to misinterpret tasks on the lab. (I was
probably fairly guilty of this offense.)
It's also very easy to make dumb mistakes on the lab. (I was extremely
guilty of this offense.)
It's also easy to miss implied requirements on the lab. (I was probably
guilty of this early on but with each attempt, I got wise to this.)
In my earlier post on these Top reasons people who could pass the lab,
don't, I offered some techniques you can use to overcome these issues.
Now, back to your original question.
Let's assume you've taken the lab and didn't pass. What was the reason
for the failure? If it was primarily because of insufficient knowledge
then I think the best bet is to take whatever time you need to make sure
you have sufficient knowledge. This period could be weeks or months or
longer depending on how insufficient your knowledge was.
If, on the other hand, you walked out the lab and thought, "I'm sure I
passed - I knew everything (or nearly everything) on that lab." And yet
you still didn't pass, you've just experienced the heartache many of us
have suffered. If this describes your situation, then you might (and
probably
should) re-take the lab fairly soon. But, in the intervening time,
focus on organizing your knowledge and improving your test taking
technique.
HTH, Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Bill.McKenzie@bisys.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:03 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: OT- Attempts vs. Time Frame
I was just curious about the number of attempts versus the time frame of
people on this list attempting the lab.
I've heard a lot of people say that you shouldn't really take more than
a month or two between attempts, so do this mean that even most people
that have attempted it three or four times did this within the scope of
a single year?
Also, Scott Morris do you ever sleep? I have my group list messages sent
to my Blackberry and you are answering questions 24 hours a day!
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