From: Richard Dumoulin (Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr)
Date: Sat Sep 10 2005 - 23:14:06 GMT-3
Take the example of an ISP using an MPLS backbone. Will Juniper P routers
need all the routes to create the LSP table? We all know that this is not
the case with Cisco. What about the others?
-- Richard
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
Envoyi : dimanche 11 septembre 2005 04:05
@ : Richard Dumoulin; 'Joe Rinehart'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Objet : RE: Cisco MPLS
The LSP "routing table" is a different list all together. You CAN have BGP
routes present, but it's certainly not necessary to have your customer
routes present.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Dumoulin
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:19 PM
To: 'Joe Rinehart'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE : Cisco MPLS
I heard that on a Juniper based MPLS network, the BGP networks needed to be
present on the P routing tables. Would be nice if anyone could confirm or
not by having a look at the routing table...
-- Richard
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Joe Rinehart [mailto:jjrinehart@hotmail.com] Envoyi : dimanche 11
septembre 2005 02:12 @ : Richard Dumoulin; ccielab@groupstudy.com Objet :
Re: Cisco MPLS
Yes, I realize that but I was pointing out how the architecture works in
general, most notably the IGP vs. BGP functionality. Even if you do not
create MBGP VPNs the routing behavior is the same, with the IGP knowing ONLY
core routes and BGP just at the edges. Both protocols run separately with
no real interaction...
And as far as the AT&T network goes, yes there is a large Cisco component,
particularly on the edges, but Avici routers are operating at the core. The
architecture is independent of the actual platforms....
Joe Rinehart
CCIE #14256, CCNP, CCDP
Data Network Consultant
AT&T Pacific Northwest Enterprise Markets
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Dumoulin" <Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr>
To: "'Joe Rinehart'" <jjrinehart@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 2:12 PM
Subject: RE : Cisco MPLS
> But AT&T are using Cisco routers I believe. Also please note that I am
> not talking about MPVPN but just about the way BGP network
> destinations are label switched,
>
> Regards
>
> -- Richard
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Joe Rinehart [mailto:jjrinehart@hotmail.com] Envoyi : samedi 10
> septembre 2005 01:07 @ : Richard Dumoulin; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Objet : Re: Cisco MPLS
>
> Anyone feel free to jump in if I am way off base here...
>
> It's pretty much just a function of how the routing is set up...I
> created
a
> mini-MPLS network on my lab rack and really was surprised to see how
> the mechanics all work, especially as I tried to mimic how we have it
> set up
at
> AT&T. The feature you are referring to is sometimes called a
> route-free core. The label switched core itself doesn't have any
> knowledge of edge
(or
> MPLS VPN) routes at all, they are clueless of anything outside the
backbone
> itself. Usually an IGP like OSPF or ISIS is run between the P nodes
> in
the
> core and includes the PE devices too. I had one router get all buggy
> because of short memory so I verified just using static routing across
> the simulated backbone and that worked too. The core just uses IGP
> and
internal
> routes and does the label switching from PE to PE.
>
> The magic is at the PE, it's pretty much doing all the heavy lifting.
> The PE runs BGP at the edge only, peering with the CE (using eBGP) and
> other PE's (using iBGP), and it's also responsible for creating the
> MPLS VPN's using Route Distinguishers and Multiprotocol BGP. The core
> doesnt know, doesnt care and doesnt play with BGP or the VPN's, it
> just pushes
traffic...
>
> The same would apply to Internet routes, as the BGP on the edge/PE
> routers would know all of it, advertise routes, and such, but once
> passed to the core P routers it would be label switched....
>
> It really is cool fascinating stuff.....
>
> Joe Rinehart
> CCIE #14256, CCNP, CCDP
> Data Network Consultant
> AT&T Pacific Northwest Enterprise Markets
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Dumoulin" <Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:03 PM
> Subject: Cisco MPLS
>
>
> > There is a feature in MPLS that I find powerful and it is the
possibility
> of
> > building an Internet backbone with 160000 routes present only in the
> > PEs routing table. I was wondering if this was only a Cisco feature
> > or do
the
> Ps
> > of other vendors also support this like Juniper for example?
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > -- Richard
> >
> >
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