From: Mark Lasarko (mlasarko@co.ba.md.us)
Date: Fri Jul 22 2005 - 12:55:57 GMT-3
Greetings Lee, I feel your pain and I agree with your opinion that ready or
not,It may very well depend on your luck on any given day.One candidate could
see only what they have studied the past few weeks and pass.While others may
see everything except what they have studied the past year and fail.That said,
I can no longer rely on luck to guide me through this :) I would like to add
to your mention of "readiness when you start knowing what thequestions relate
to, and you understand them..." with one's ability to determine alternate
methods to achieve the goal(s) without even really thinking about it. That
has been the most noticeable part of my professional development.It really
starts to click when it becomes second nature IMO. Having seen some recent
posts suggest trickery, poor grading, etc...I wanted to take a moment to offer
that I have yet to see a question that I found deceptive or otherwise
impossible.I have, however, found many questions that made me say to
myself;"After all of my studies! - Why don't I understand this yet?" The truth
is, lucky or not, it's an awful lot of information to absorb, and it's growing
every day.And it comes down to one day where you have to be more like your
best and less like you're not. My most recent attempt I got 100% on BGP and
three other categories.Still, I did not pass.Going through the initial phases
of disappointment,Converting the score report into points and all that,I was
soooooooooo close. Like a point or three.But I stopped short of requesting a
re-score. Why?Because I have faith that my shortcomings are just that:My
shortcomings. As much as I may not like or want to accept it.Even a single
question, just one more question would get me over the top.That one question
would not have made the difference had I not let it be so. I still believe the
lab is genuine and the proctors want you to get that magic #Why would I
believe this?Simply because the ones who judge us, they have all been through
this as well. I know they understand - they must.How can one complete this
journey and not understand? By extension, if I did not believe this was true I
would not proceed on the path.Certainly there would be better things to do
with my life... The proctors and CCIE's behind the scenes want to make sure
that once we are one of them... That we are REALLY one of them.They want to
make sure that when we get there the purity and integrity of the
accomplishment has been maintained. They want to assure the understanding;
*even if for some that understanding can only come when weaved with great
(monetary) loss and (emotional) pain :) I believe the same is true for those
who act as our proctors here every day.Some spit out the quick answer while
others merely suggest to point us in the right direction. Some like to answer
questions with more questions. Still others offer bad information, but still
they offer.And they all have one thing in common. They too want us to
UNDERSTAND. In the end we all want the same thing.The understanding of the
technologies.Once you have that the # will come. My advice would be to take a
break long enough to catch your breath,But not song long that you forget to
breathe deep :) Like many of us you're almost there!It's just up to you how
long before you get there. (I'll meet you 'there')Cheers,~M
>>> Lee Donald <Lee.Donald@t-systems.co.uk> 07/22/05 5:19 AM >>>
Hi Amit,
With all the success stories maybe you might think it is easy, but you would
be wrong. People don't tend to tell you when they've failed, only when
they've passed.
The CCIE Lab is the most sort after exam to get, and companies pay top
dollar for a CCIE Engineer. Well there's a reason for this, and it's not
because the exam is easy. It's because the exam is very difficult, and
people have to study and really know there stuff before they pass it that's
why.
I used Internetworking Expert for my workbook and their on-demand classes
which are both worth every penny. Only my personnel choice.
I think you can judge your readiness when you start knowing what the
questions relate to, and you understand them, as oppose to just knowing
that you have to add this command to get it working.
In my opinion I was ready and still am, but it depends on your luck on the
day.
Maybe 3rd time lucky? I can't be unlucky forever!!
HTH
Lee.
-----Original Message-----
From: Amit Jain [mailto:netsteps@rediffmail.com]
Sent: 22 July 2005 09:48
To: Group Study
Subject: Re: I Failed for the 2nd time yesterday in Brussels, has the R&S
lab got more tricky??
Lee
Out of all bad things that must have happened with you, one good thing you
did was to give your feedback. By reading all the success stories many of us
who will be appearing for first attempt may tend to think that lab is not
all that complex and hard to crack. After reading a story such as yours, we
need to make sure within ourselves that the measures we take to judge our
rediness, should be concrete and full-proof to save repeated waste of time,
effort and money.
Amit jain
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arun Arumuganainar" <aarumuga@hotmail.com>
To: "De Witt, Duane" <duane.dewitt@siemens.com>; "Lee Donald"
<Lee.Donald@t-systems.co.uk>; "Group Study" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: I Failed for the 2nd time yesterday in Brussels, has the R&S
lab got more tricky??
> In such a case you can apply for re-valuation !!! I think it cost another
> 250 Bucks but there are incidences where in candidates have actually
passed
> after this process .
>
> I remember some body telling me about the evaluation processes . It will
go
> on like this .
>
> First , A script will be running . If the script returns a score which is
> very close to 80 ( Band of 65 to 100 ) . Then Manual evaluation will be
> done by the proctor .
>
> Note : Even when score is say 90 or 100 will mandate manual evaluation .
>
> Also all our conversation are store is server . While doing evaluation
those
> configuration are uploaded on the routers and script will running on it
!!!
> So given the system of evaluation we need to do the following before we
> leave the lab .
>
> 1) Save all the configuration .
> 2) Reload all the router and check still the features are working as given
> in the question sheet .
>
> These two steps will prepare us for script evaluation .
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Arun
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "De Witt, Duane" <duane.dewitt@siemens.com>
> To: "Lee Donald" <Lee.Donald@t-systems.co.uk>; "Group Study"
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 12:17 PM
> Subject: RE: I Failed for the 2nd time yesterday in Brussels, has the R&S
> lab got more tricky??
>
>
> > I had the same experience with my BGP. I had character for character
> > what they asked for and still didn't get the points. This makes me
> > believe that the proctors don't actually look at the output but just run
> > it through the script and leave it at that.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Lee Donald
> > Sent: 21 July 2005 02:56 PM
> > To: 'Group Study'
> > Subject: I Failed for the 2nd time yesterday in Brussels, has the R&S
> > lab got more tricky??
> >
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > I failed for the 2nd time yesterday in Brussels after a mammoth effort
> > of
> > studying and courses etc.
> > When I walked out the door I was fairly sure I'd passed (which makes it
> > even
> > worse) but what I can't understand is their marking, probably won't ever
> > understand it.
> >
> > Certain sections like my BGP were spot on and running like a brand new
> > BMW (
> > so I thought) they even gave you screen outputs of what your "show ip
> > bgp "
> > should look like, well mine looked like that but I got 39%.
> >
> > I don't know whether their testing you to see if you know and can
> > configure
> > the technology, or trying to trip you up with Cryptic questions that are
> > designed to mislead you.
> >
> > Any Comments, sorry having a Hate Cisco day.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Lee.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ccie2be [mailto:ccie2be@nyc.rr.com]
> > Sent: 21 July 2005 12:48
> > To: 'Shanky'; 'Group Study'
> > Subject: RE: OSPF: Remember old DR 2.1.1.10 (id) ... why ?
> >
> > Shanky,
> >
> > I don't know if this answers your question directly but I can tell you
> > this.
> >
> >
> > Ospf doesn't use preemption in the election of the DR and BDR. Because
> > of
> > this ospf is more stable on a broadcast segment. Once a DR is elected,
> > that
> > router will remain as the DR even if another router on the same segment
> > comes on line with a higher priority.
> >
> > This being the case, I guess that its necessary for a non-Dr and non-BDR
> > router to remember who the DR and BDR were if it were to go down so that
> > when it comes back up it knows with which routers to re-establish
> > adjacencies with.
> >
> > As far as the lab goes, I don't think this detail is that important.
> > What's
> > really important is that you're aware of this non-preempt behavior so
> > that
> > when you configure ospf on a broadcast or nbma segment, you know to set
> > the
> > priority to 0 on routers which should not become the DR or BDR before
> > bringing the router up on the segment.
> >
> > HTH, Tim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Shanky
> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:20 AM
> > To: Group Study
> > Subject: OSPF: Remember old DR 2.1.1.10 (id) ... why ?
> >
> > Hi,
> > I got the foll output with debug ip ospf adj when I shut the serial to
> > FR
> > switch down on the spoke in NBMA mode. Why does the router remember who
> > the
> > old DR was as shown in the output ? I mean, once new DR is selected,
> > even if
> > the old DR comes back online (Say after a crash), it doesnt affect.
> > **Mar 1 16:15:15.799: OSPF: Remember old DR 2.1.1.10 <http://2.1.1.10>
> > (id)
> > ... why does the router remember the old DR?*
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.795: OSPF: Interface Serial0/0 going Down
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.795: OSPF: 1.1.1.1 <http://1.1.1.1> address
> > 1.1.1.1<http://1.1.1.1>on Serial0/0 is dead, state
> > DOWN
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.795: OSPF: Neighbor change Event on interface Serial0/0
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.795: OSPF: DR/BDR election on Serial0/0
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.795: OSPF: Elect BDR 0.0.0.0 <http://0.0.0.0>
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.795: OSPF: Elect DR 2.1.1.10 <http://2.1.1.10>
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.795: OSPF: Elect BDR 0.0.0.0 <http://0.0.0.0>
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.795: OSPF: Elect DR 2.1.1.10 <http://2.1.1.10>
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.799: DR: 2.1.1.10 <http://2.1.1.10> (Id) BDR: none
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.799: OSPF: 2.1.1.10 <http://2.1.1.10> address
> > 1.1.1.2<http://1.1.1.2>on Serial0/0 is dead, state
> > DOWN
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.799: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr
> > 2.1.1.10<http://2.1.1.10>on Serial0/0 from
> > FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: Interface down or detached
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.799: OSPF: Neighbor change Event on interface Serial0/0
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.799: OSPF: DR/BDR election on Serial0/0
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.799: OSPF: Elect BDR 0.0.0.0 <http://0.0.0.0>
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.799: OSPF: Elect DR 0.0.0.0 <http://0.0.0.0>
> > *Mar 1 16:15:15.799: DR: none BDR: none
> > **Mar 1 16:15:15.799: OSPF: Remember old DR 2.1.1.10 <http://2.1.1.10>
> > (id)*
> >
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