From: Dillon Yang (gzdillon@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Mar 08 2005 - 11:34:57 GMT-3
Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
Then I can draw a conclusion that a workbook is essential key for CCIE and www.cisco.com must forget this on their "Lab Study Suggestions and Exam Tips". So how long did you need to master the workbook?
TIA
dillon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felipe Stutz" <felipestutz@yahoo.com.br>
To: "Dillon Yang" <gzdillon@hotmail.com>
Cc: "Group Study" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE R&S - certified at 1st attempt
> Certainly a workbook is key to pass the lab. It is
> because the workbooks give you an idea of what the lab
> is and you can also train to manage your time, what is
> really important on this exam. But for me it doesn't
> make sense to use a workbook if the theory of all
> technologies are not very well understood, and I agree
> with Joe that these workbooks also solidifies the
> theory.
> For me it was essential that I could configure the
> basic things quickly, almost automatically, so I had
> enough time to work on the more complex questions.
>
> Felipe Stutz
> CCIE 14449
>
>
> --- Joe Rinehart <jjrinehart@hotmail.com> escreveu:
> > For me, I took the lab five times and found that a
> > lab workbook was
> > essential. It solidifies important concepts on so
> > many levels---you have to
> > be able to understand both the technologies as well
> > as the nuances of
> > implementing them. There are lots of workbooks out
> > there, I found that the
> > NetMaster book was the best, it was challenging and
> > the online answer key
> > along with the ability to look up configuration data
> > in real time was a key
> > to passing.
> >
> > Without hours of challenging hands on labs it's very
> > difficult to pass the
> > lasb....
> >
> > Joe Rinehart
> > CCIE #14256
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dillon Yang" <gzdillon@hotmail.com>
> > To: "Felipe Stutz" <felipestutz@yahoo.com.br>
> > Cc: "Group Study" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S - certified at 1st attempt
> >
> >
> > > Hi, Felipe:
> > > Thanks for your experience.
> > > I also spent about one year on studying from
> > CCNA to CCIE. Though I
> > worked 10 hours per day on lab, I'v failed twice. I
> > think I made a mistake
> > that I focused on CCNP's materials about 4 months
> > for a solid base, its a
> > long time when I had obtained few progresses. These
> > books are not systemic
> > and have a lot of repeated ambiguous concepts. Then
> > I spent 3 months on
> > CDDOC that is not systemic again, in which I even
> > could not find the
> > definiens of "fancy queueing" that is the keyword in
> > the blueprint. The same
> > concept is repeated in IOS12.2, in IOS12.3 or in
> > document of 3550, I can not
> > go through the all concepts systemically, even its
> > command reference is not
> > so completely useful. You are right, the book
> > "Routing TCP/IP V1&V2" and
> > "CCIE Practical Studies V1&V2" are perfect that
> > crown all over the CCNP
> > books. So it would has been a different situation,
> > if I had spent the wasted
> > 7 months on the Cisco Press books.
> > > Now I'm confused whether is it necessary to
> > devote myself to a
> > workbook.
> > > Any advice?
> > >
> > > dillon
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Felipe Stutz" <felipestutz@yahoo.com.br>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:08 AM
> > > Subject: Fwd: CCIE R&S - certified at 1st attempt
> > >
> > >
> > > > As I've received emails asking about my study
> > method, I'm sending an
> > additional message to you all, and I expect to
> > answer most of the questions
> > I received (if some of your questions are not
> > answered, please send them to
> > me again).
> > > >
> > > > I know it will sound strange for some of you,
> > but my number one rule has
> > been: "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his
> > righteousness; and all
> > these things shall be added unto you." Matthew 6:33.
> > And it really works!
> > > >
> > > > I studied for almost one year, but some months
> > before getting into CCIE
> > track I certified as CCNP. At the beginning I
> > basically used two books for
> > theory: I and II (however only BGP is studied in
> > depth on these books).
> > After this I started the hands-on study. Firstly I
> > worked on Cisco Labgear
> > labs and then I used IE workbooks.
> > > > Most of the time I didn't go into technologies
> > details, and my aim was
> > to have a solid understanding of the main concepts.
> > > > I just scheduled my exam when I was sure that I
> > understood the main
> > concepts and could configure them quickly. My idea
> > was that the available
> > Cisco documentation could help me during the exam
> > with the more specific
> > topics, and it really worked on this way during my
> > exam.
> > > > When I was close to the exam date, two weeks
> > before, I spent most of my
> > study time at CCD, and went through all the
> > documents availble there. I
> > didn't do any lab during this period and I only
> > worked on topics that were
> > not 100% clear to me.
> > > > Finally the day before the lab I just tried to
> > relax. A CCIE friend
> > instructed me to make a lab on this last day but I
> > prefered to spend some
> > time playing some games and having a pleasure night
> > : ) Anyway it was
> > difficult to sleep!
> > > > This was my method. I know it is very personal
> > but I'll be glad if you
> > can take any advantage of it.
> > > >
> > > > On the lab I tried not to waste time reading
> > question, I started with
> > configuration and the problems I could not resolve
> > quickly I left to the end
> > of the day. I worked with a check list for every
> > topic, and those that I
> > configured but was not confident I worked on them
> > again at the end of the
> > day too.
> > > >
> > > > Well, that's all by now and I hope it helps.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Felipe Stutz - CCIE #14449
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Felipe Stutz <felipestutz@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> > > > Data: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:12:12 -0300 (ART)
> > > > De: Felipe Stutz <felipestutz@yahoo.com.br>
> > > > Assunto: CCIE R&S - certified at 1st attempt
> > > > Para: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >
> > > > I joined this group two weeks ago and didn't
> > have
> > > > opportunity to learn with you. But as I know
> > that
> > > > this kind of news motivates a lot, I'm sharing
> > it with
> > > > you.
> > > > Yes! It is possible to pass the lab at the first
> > time
> > > > and I did it yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Felipe Stutz
> > > > CCIE #14449
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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