From: Lee Donald (Lee.Donald@t-systems.co.uk)
Date: Fri Feb 18 2005 - 07:47:51 GMT-3
Boring subject now..................
-----Original Message-----
From: libone mhlanga [mailto:libone@lycos.com]
Sent: 18 February 2005 10:27
To: Hyunseog Ryu
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: TestKing CCIE Labs
Thanks for your words Hyun. FYI CCIE forums are not immune to racism either
as you have just found out !
Lets put things in perspective people ! CCIE is a certificate, thats it a
bloody certificate ! You will never heal anyone or correct any of the
world's evils by getting it !
Lets all enjoy the pursuit and share our knowledge !!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hyunseog Ryu" <r.hyunseog@ieee.org>
To: "joshua lauer" <jslauer@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TestKing CCIE Labs
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:51:53 -0600
>
> Hi Joshua,
>
> No offense, but I want to point out something.
> I think it's not fair to say "from mostly the asian contries".
> They have a lot of competition for job market, especially for entry
levels.
> Because of strong desire for education by their parents,
> a lot of people graduated from college with the degree,
> but they couldn't find the job after graduation.
> Society is a kind of over-crowded, so in order to get the job,
> a lot of people are trying to have something special to be attracted
> by the company.
> So compared to whole number of people out there, I think very few people
> decided to cheat the exam to have certification.
>
> I'm from Korea, but in Korea, Having CCIE doesn't mean you will be
> Network GOD.
> Still you should have right experiences to be hired by the good company.
>
> I know there are a lot of good people out there trying to get certified
> by studying hard.
>
> I think it's not fair saying "from mostly the asian countries"
> statement for whom study hard from those area.
> It might give some impression about racial discrimination for some people.
> If we consider the population, the rate of occurence/happening of
> cheating will be similar to everywhere else or even lower than
> other areas.
>
>
>
> Hyun
>
>
>
> joshua lauer wrote:
> > Groupstudy is not only good for study purposes but entertainment
> > as well! TK has been around for awhile, I'm fairly shure most of
> > us have seen them in one form or another. For those who dont
> > know, they come from mostly the asian countries since (from what
> > I'm told) the testing process is fairly lax. Study hard, EARN
> > your number then you will be a network GOD!! :) Of course, this
> > is just my humble personal view. Now, we can all get back to
> > configuring routers.....
> >
> >
> >
> > josh
> >
> >
> > Joshua Lauer
> >
> > RHCE, MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, CCDP, CCNP, CCIP, CCSP,INFOSEC, CEH
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pink, Paul" <Paul.Pink@mtvstaff.com>
> > To: "Gregory W. Posey Jr." <gposey@uaes.org>; "Bobby"
> > <robertgacker@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: TestKing CCIE Labs
> >
> >
> >> Awesome response - Enough said..
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Gregory W. Posey Jr.
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:44 PM
> >> To: Bobby
> >> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: TestKing CCIE Labs
> >>
> >> What a bunch of self-important yahoos. I can hardly believe I'm
> >> participating in worsening the signal-to-noise ratio on GS (and believe
> >> me
> >> when I say I appreciate the wonderful "signal" that's available in the
> >> midst
> >> of all of the saber-rattling "noise").
> >>
> >> I can't believe a simple question like the one below has caused such an
> >> upstart - someone who was unaware that TK is for "cheaters" simply
> >> inquired
> >> and a handful of respondents did what they should have (informed Bobby
> >> that
> >> TK was the source of all that is bad in the world, and suggested
better,
> >>
> >> more legitimate study material).
> >>
> >> Others, however went off into their diatribes (much like I am right
now)
> >>
> >> about how horrible a person Bobby must be to even ask such a question,
> >> or
> >> that he must be lying when he says he was unfamiliar with their
> >> reputation,
> >> or that he should have searched the archives before asking such a
> >> question
> >> (whew - it's a good thing everybody does that - and you NEVER see the
> >> same
> >> question show up on GS more than once).
> >>
> >> It never ceases to amaze me how high and mighty we network "engineers"
> >> get
> >> because we have the ability to push buttons on devices designed (and
> >> dare I
> >> say, ENGINEERED) by someone else. Does it take a lot of
> >> knowledge/skill/experience - yes, it does. But we're not re-inventing
> >> the
> >> wheel here - we know the commands to type to make networks perform. We
> >> are
> >> NOT scientists/engineers/developers/etc. (as CCIEs is what I'm saying -
> >> if
> >> you happen to be any/all of the above in ADDITION to being CCIE
> >> certified,
> >> then bravo for you). We just happen to live in an economy that values
> >> the
> >> button pushers more than the actual creators. So be it - I sold out
for
> >> the
> >> greater reward / lesser challenge.
> >>
> >> Thank you to those who replied in a manner that informed the original
> >> questioner. And my apologies to anyone bothered/offended by my
addition
> >> of
> >> noise to this august forum.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Greg Posey Jr.
> >> CCIE #7981
> >> CCSP, CCSI
> >> M.S. EE
> >>
> >> Bobby writes:
> >>
> >>> Are these any good for the labs? I have heard they were good for the
> >>> written. Can anyone please advise?
> >>>
> >>> Also, has anyone taken the new CCIE R&S test with IPv6 in it? Just
> >>> wondering how it compared to last years tests.
> >>>
> >>> Bobby
> >>>
> >>>
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